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The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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Who did?

He/she means the Soviet astronomers called themselves cosmonomers. Like astronauts and cosmonauts, har har.

> He/she

Use "they" when you do not know the subjects gender/sex/whatever. Much cleaner to look at and read.

Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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post #55

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>One person losing a job or appointment isn't the same as people being forced out of careers entirely Try speculating publicly about 1. Heritability of intelligence/behavior 2. Genetic differences among ethnicities Of course neither points go against scientific "consensus" individually, it's only discussing them simultaneously that risks your scientific career. Now try publishing something critical of covid vaccines.…

> Try speculating publicly about [...] You just did! Let me know when you're canceled. This argument is circular. You're saying the purported suppression can't be detected because its effect is already so widespread. And it's widespread because of the threat of cancellation. Which didn't happen. See the problem? The only way to get to your conclusion is to assume as a prior that this research doesn't exist because it…

>You just did! Let me know when you're canceled

On an anonymous account. Meanwhile our org's job postings are "gendered" because they contain words like "strong", "independent", "analysis", and if I dare to pushback on the insanity I'm liable to lose my job. If I wrote publicly about it and gained any notoriety I'd risk being publicly shamed by the woke mob and effectively blacklisted a la James Damore.

>You're saying the purported suppression can't be detected because its effect is already so widespread. And it's widespread because of the threat of cancellation. Which didn't happen. See the problem

Your argument is dishonest. It does happen and these is evidence, I'm saying it's harder to detect. Look at the unwarranted treatment of James Watson for daring to suggest the relationship between genes, race, and intelligence.

>that this research doesn't exist because it's being suppressed, and not merely because it's wrong

See above. It doesn't take more than a few public examples to deter people from asking certain questions or even participating in a system when asking the wrong questions regarding certain topics becomes career and social suicide.

Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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Work camps are just the extreme of the policies that we have yet to implement. We seem to be lubing the slippery slope towards it though, with political correctness and cancel culture.

When do you think cancel culture started?

Probably it started thousands of years ago, but recently it has certainly changed and become a new and terrible thing with social media.

Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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If all that eugenics was or is concerned with was the removal of some harmful alleles by consensual methods, and it was not a pile of often racist bullshit falsely claiming to be based on what is actually solid science, it would not have a bad name.

There is a lot of stuff in between. For example, Down syndrome can be practically eradicated by selectively aborting aneuploid embryos. Of course, the embryo cannot consent, and while the parents can, institutional pressures can be put on them to make them change their mind. Countries like Iceland and Denmark abort almost all Down syndrome embryos. This article in The Atlantic does not seem to be completely OK with t…

> Of course, the embryo cannot consent,

I mean, technically the person born with Down Syndrome would be incapable of consenting on their own life decisions after they were born, right?

Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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Note that in the USSR, political questions and false accusations were often used to torpedo career competitors or to have vengeance at those who were more successful. Almost nobody in this story or in other cases were political dissidents. They didn't go out to protest or speak up on the political freedoms or other matters.

Glad we live in a era were accusations and rumors are not used as political weapons against individuals.

> in an era

Era? Read some history books

Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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Note that in the USSR, political questions and false accusations were often used to torpedo career competitors or to have vengeance at those who were more successful. Almost nobody in this story or in other cases were political dissidents. They didn't go out to protest or speak up on the political freedoms or other matters.

Glad we live in a era were accusations and rumors are not used as political weapons against individuals.

Twitter?

Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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Anti-intellectualism seems an almost inevitable destination for authoritarian regimes. In a thread yesterday [1] the subject of Mao's purges and the Khmer Rouge came up. Why kill all the engineers, doctors and lawyers? Because people who build and maintain civilisation can build alternative ones. They are a threat to that kind of power.

Heed this warning, all of you comfortable building systems of control and surveillance while thinking that you are "on the inside" and will be treated well because you are "needed".

Once the "new order" has it's cybernetic governance machine, who do you think will be the first to get a visit?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31042304

Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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post #64

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There is a lot of stuff in between. For example, Down syndrome can be practically eradicated by selectively aborting aneuploid embryos. Of course, the embryo cannot consent, and while the parents can, institutional pressures can be put on them to make them change their mind. Countries like Iceland and Denmark abort almost all Down syndrome embryos. This article in The Atlantic does not seem to be completely OK with t…

> Of course, the embryo cannot consent, I mean, technically the person born with Down Syndrome would be incapable of consenting on their own life decisions after they were born, right?

While a D.S. sufferer has intellectual disability, its severity may vary a lot, with some cases mild enough that the capability of giving consent might be there.

Then there are mosaic cases, which are in the middle between a full Down Syndrome and normalcy. In mosaic cases, only a certain percentage of cells is afflicted. People with mosaic aneuploidies can often lead fairly normal lives.

Re: The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991)

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I don’t recall anyone being sent to work camps for criticizing government policy in the US recently.

most people reading this have never missed a meal in their lives; a good number of people reading this have never been in a grown-up out-of-money situation where you face deadlines and have no source of money; probably a few people reading this have had to work doing low-skill work, but personal computers have changed access stories. The new version of "labor camp" is a phone that costs you little to nothing but is r…

They literally shot politicals in GULAG for stepping out of a line. Nothing in the US even compared.
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