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Re: Not cool, Reddit

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Cache link as it source appears to be down: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EeZYEWV... Basically, guy got inexplicably banned from the site, and is having trouble getting back on.

That's a bad summary. They ban you in a way that you don't realise you've been bannedd till you look for signs that you have. My blog got banned from there too. I only posted links from my personal blog there and never participated in any other discussions, so that might be why. But why the sneakiness? They could just be up-front about it.

It's so they can silently stop the spammers from creating many accounts if the bot/spammer thinks that their account is working fine. HN does/did the same thing iirc.

Re: Not cool, Reddit

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Cache link as it source appears to be down: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EeZYEWV... Basically, guy got inexplicably banned from the site, and is having trouble getting back on.

Reddit does secret hellbans? That's awful! I'm glad I hang out on HN instead. EDIT: Arc seems to have eaten my tags. Truly an inferior-lisp.

Sort of. It is a spam fighting measure, I believe. Pretty sure similar techniques are used here.

Re: Not cool, Reddit

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Cache link as it source appears to be down: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EeZYEWV... Basically, guy got inexplicably banned from the site, and is having trouble getting back on.

That's a bad summary. They ban you in a way that you don't realise you've been bannedd till you look for signs that you have. My blog got banned from there too. I only posted links from my personal blog there and never participated in any other discussions, so that might be why. But why the sneakiness? They could just be up-front about it.

Imagine you have a troll providing lots of noise but little signal.

You just ban them, and give them a notice saying "You're banned". What do you think they're going to do? They just change IP, register again, and carry on.

Now imagine that you hellban them. Or just start introducing errors and delays into their posting. What do you think they do? They carry on trolling, but no-one else is disturbed by it.

Re: Not cool, Reddit

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Cache link as it source appears to be down: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EeZYEWV... Basically, guy got inexplicably banned from the site, and is having trouble getting back on.

That's a bad summary. They ban you in a way that you don't realise you've been bannedd till you look for signs that you have. My blog got banned from there too. I only posted links from my personal blog there and never participated in any other discussions, so that might be why. But why the sneakiness? They could just be up-front about it.

I've barely touched reddit and cannot speak for them, but I do run large forums and can speak for why I silently ban.

Most forum software has the notion of "Send to Coventry".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Send_to_Coventry

I send people to coventry when I feel that they are unlikely to change their behaviour were I to inform them that their behaviour is going to lead to a permaban.

Specifically, if people are spamming and trolling, they get sent there without notification. In my experience, any spammer or troll is simply going to redouble their efforts if they become aware that they're going to be banned... but if they think they are successfully spamming and trolling then they quietly move along.

The harder bit is determining whether a spammer or troll is a spammer or troll.

There are the obvious spammers (penis enlargement, viagra, etc) and obvious trolls (Slashdot has had some famous ones). But what of someone who wants to sell something and is just over-enthusiastic, and lacking in netiquette?

That's where it's harder, but once you get to a certain size and you're dealing with perhaps hundreds of reported posts per day, then you're quite likely to be more heavy-handed, and less polite when you're working your way through the backlog.

That's when you offend someone who actually would've reacted well to just being spoken to.

So that's the why... and the problem is probably more indicative of a stretched set of moderators.

Re: Not cool, Reddit

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This isn't really news.

Reddit does do 'shadow-bans' in the case of egregious spammers. Moderators are soon going to be able to do temporary, sub-reddit specific shadowbans as well.

Looking at his account (http://www.reddit.com/user/MarkDennehy/submitted/), he looks like a spammer. He only submits links to his own sites, and rarely comments.

Scrolling down through his submission history, I can see (for the subreddits I moderate, such as /r/business), that his submissions have an incredibly high rate of spam-filter failure (meaning that they get caught by the automated spam filter and never shown.) This is because they look like spam.

The point of Reddit is to submit interesting and informative links, as well as participate in discourse; not repeatedly submit your own articles to as many subreddits as possible.

If you look like a spammer, and talk like a spammer... well....

Re: Not cool, Reddit

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Cache link as it source appears to be down: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EeZYEWV... Basically, guy got inexplicably banned from the site, and is having trouble getting back on.

Reddit does secret hellbans? That's awful! I'm glad I hang out on HN instead. EDIT: Arc seems to have eaten my tags. Truly an inferior-lisp.

This must be a joke, HN auto [dead]s all my submissions now. Even deaded an article from my blog that got 11 upvotes before it was deaded

Re: Not cool, Reddit

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Judging from his submitted stories, it looks like he pretty much exclusively linked and x-posted to his own blog(s). (http://www.reddit.com/user/MarkDennehy/submitted/)

The FAQs DO have a section on that:

"It's not strictly forbidden to submit a link to a site that you own or otherwise benefit from in some way, but you should sort of consider yourself on thin ice. So please pay careful attention to the rest of these bullet points" http://www.reddit.com/help/faq#Whatconstitutesspam

Plus lots of the posts had 0 points, so it seems pretty conclusive to me.

And arguing the "more or less karma points"... come on. Really??? So not only did OP not read the FAQs, he doesn't know how reddit works and how many accounts the average redditor has.

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