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Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some
#102I'd like to see some concrete examples... but if it's truly in there -- good for them! It has absolutely no reason to be in a math textbook.
If a parent finds something goes against their beliefs should they be able to stop their kids from learning about it in school?
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There is no details for the exact reason that Florida did not supply any details other than the negative hot-button words. Complaining the coverage is inadequate is silly since the whole story is that Florida banned textbooks without saying what. I can accept a detailed list of examples of things that are not acceptable. Banning books without any detail is the story.
"Banning books without any detail is the story." But is it? The headline seems focused on the hot-button issue rather than the process. And it provides no context about the scope of the problem (is Florida's process an outlier here?), or other examples.
I think the hot take culture war approach to the issue reduces the pressure for transparency, since the hot take generators act as if they have everything they need to decide exactly what to think without any further data.
My guess is that the books were banned for bad reasons, but my guesses aren't of much value without verification.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand we don't have any evidence supporting Florida's claim, but you don't have any evidence supporting what you said either. I'm inclined to believe Florida until shown otherwise.
>I'm inclined to believe Florida until shown otherwise. That Florida made the active decision to not release the names of the books is a bit strange, don't you think? Seems like an open government would want to provide their citizens with the details of their decisions instead of hiding it.
It is a bit strange. But it could be something as simple as a provision in the contract with the publishers that they not release info on any textbooks that are rejected.
Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some
#105Such news stories add credence to the idea that the web + social media have been a universal solvent for societies. Especially democratic societies. Three decades ago, such a move would have been an eyebrow raising 2 to 5 minute news story on the evening news. Or, mentioned in a tiny column in the newspaper on some page. Most people wouldn't have come into contact with it. Let alone with such vigor that it led to an…
> Three decades ago, such a move would have been an eyebrow raising 2 to 5 minute news story on the evening news.
Not because of some unique effect of social media; race in education has been that kind of culture war centerpiece for a long time; it was more than 25 years ago that a major national controversy erupted because of a single local school board decision on recognizing African American English as a distinct source language that students come with and which impacts teaching of Standard American English.
(It's true that decisions to impose a racist view of American society by the same faction that has pushed anti-CRT policies in the states where they have recently passed anti-CRT laws wouldn't be news, but that's more the same shift of the center on educational content that the anti-CRT movement is part of the response to than anything about social media.)
Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I'm inclined to believe Florida until shown otherwise. That Florida made the active decision to not release the names of the books is a bit strange, don't you think? Seems like an open government would want to provide their citizens with the details of their decisions instead of hiding it.
It is a bit strange. But it could be something as simple as a provision in the contract with the publishers that they not release info on any textbooks that are rejected.
It's open information that has been released in the past by many states, including Florida. They released a list of the books this morning but not the reasons why they got rejected so it was a choice to not give the information out at the same time as the notice.
Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some
#107Floridian here. I've lived here all my life, and DeSantis is the first Governor under whom I have felt that the entire agenda is piss off people who aren't politically aligned with his values. Not a week goes by without some inflammatory new policy making it into the news cycle, and it saddens me because Florida has a ton of problems that we could be collaborating on legislatively, but instead, it's just partisan bri…
I found it really upsetting that, after an overwhelming number of Floridians voted to reinstate voting rights for some felons, DeSantis signed a law that prevented them from voting if they had any unpaid fees (Florida loves to bill convicts so most do). Regardless of ones political stance, the ruthless drive to win at all costs is causing serious damage to our society.
Yeah, this is a perfect example of overriding the will of the people in the interest of continuing to hold political power. It's ironic given the "stop the steal" narrative of recent, but here we are.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that's just a variant of the slippery slope fallacy. There's nothing related to religion here, and they have not mentioned anything about evolution.
“Our desire is to … confront the culture in which we all live today in ways which will continue to advance God’s kingdom, not to stay in our own safe territories,” Betsy DeVos said. Cited from this article: https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devo... Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public…
Not at all, I just don't think the tired late 2000s trope of the religious boogeyman is still really relevant. The entire debate has shifted to something else, and honestly even amongst conservatives they don't have much of a voice anymore
Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some
#109This is a really useless news story. Couldn't they do a little legwork and figure out which books were rejected? I'd really like to see what material was in these math books. I'm guessing the rejection is some level of overreaction, but it's hard to say how much without knowing what's being rejected.
Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some
#110I can understand rejecting them for "failed to meet curriculum standards", but what does "incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies" really mean? Are there math topics and "stategies" that are illegal in the US/Florida somehow? I also understand that including critical race theory in math books seems wildly irrelevant (unless I miss something) and therefor not fit for the curriculum. But I'm interested…
I could imagine it being something along the lines of "The economic productivity of a typical black slave was X... yada yada yada... how many dollars in reparations does America owe modern black Americans Y years later at interest rate Z." I could also imagine it being something much more benign. I really wish we could see what it actually was so we could see if the DoE's judgement here was reasonable or not.
> I could imagine it being something along the lines of
It would be so nice if politicians could show us precisely what they're protecting our children from, so we wouldn't need to rely on HideousKojima's imagination for examples.