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Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by loudmax »

areoform wrote: post #21

Such news stories add credence to the idea that the web + social media have been a universal solvent for societies. Especially democratic societies. Three decades ago, such a move would have been an eyebrow raising 2 to 5 minute news story on the evening news. Or, mentioned in a tiny column in the newspaper on some page. Most people wouldn't have come into contact with it. Let alone with such vigor that it led to an…

Absolutely this. Dragging CRT into a math curriculum is a bad idea. The state legislature passing laws to ban the practice is even worse.

I know you're being facetious about interns, but issues today go so far beyond this. There's an actual war on in Europe, inflation is the highest it's been since the 70's and the pandemic is still wreaking havoc on global supply chains. There are very real crises to deal with, but there's political hay to be made from culture war divisions.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by chmod600 »

coldcode wrote: post #56
civilized wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It seems useless and brain cell-killing to be subjected to the hot takes from each side's chattering class, without access to the exact books and passages that led to these bans.

There is no details for the exact reason that Florida did not supply any details other than the negative hot-button words. Complaining the coverage is inadequate is silly since the whole story is that Florida banned textbooks without saying what. I can accept a detailed list of examples of things that are not acceptable. Banning books without any detail is the story.

"Banning books without any detail is the story."

But is it? The headline seems focused on the hot-button issue rather than the process. And it provides no context about the scope of the problem (is Florida's process an outlier here?), or other examples.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by bavell »

mattboardman wrote: post #53

Does the Florida DOE have a set of guidelines for how they determine if material is inappropriate for students? Seems like if the Government is going to make decisions for the people they should at least have an idea on what grounds these decisions are made upon.

Yep, all the guidelines are public: https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/instructional-mate...

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by mezcaliente »

mardifoufs wrote: post #73
mezcaliente wrote: post #62

I found more information on the Florida Dept. of Education site: https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/instructional-mate... This appears to be the list of the 132 books submitted for review: https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/5574/urlt/2021-22-S... And this I believe is the list of books that were approved: https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/5574/urlt/2122MathA...

Wait so why is everyone saying that they have not published the book list? Am I missing something?

They haven't published an explicit list of the rejected books but unless I'm mistaken we can figure that out from the difference of these two lists.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by JaimeThompson »

xwdv wrote: post #61
tmountain wrote: post #29

Floridian here. I've lived here all my life, and DeSantis is the first Governor under whom I have felt that the entire agenda is piss off people who aren't politically aligned with his values. Not a week goes by without some inflammatory new policy making it into the news cycle, and it saddens me because Florida has a ton of problems that we could be collaborating on legislatively, but instead, it's just partisan bri…

And yet, blue state liberal democrats are clamoring to move to Florida. New Yorkers and Californians trying to escape their failed states with outrageous taxes, is it any wonder then that states like Florida and Texas are purposely trying to seem as unattractive as possible to these people. Way too many people in Florida these days.

"Texas had a population in 2017 of 28.32 million. On a per capita basis then, the percent of people leaving Texas was 0.016. California lost just over 661,000 people to domestic migration in the 12 months ended in July 2017. Given California’s population in 2017 of 39.4 million, the per capita basis of people leaving California was 0.016, approximately the same rate as in Texas."

https://drgregmaguire.org/2020/02/06/why-are-so-many-people-...

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by sigspec »

usrn wrote: post #55
tmountain wrote: post #29

Floridian here. I've lived here all my life, and DeSantis is the first Governor under whom I have felt that the entire agenda is piss off people who aren't politically aligned with his values. Not a week goes by without some inflammatory new policy making it into the news cycle, and it saddens me because Florida has a ton of problems that we could be collaborating on legislatively, but instead, it's just partisan bri…

That's a good thing. There are a number of mutually exclusive positions the left and right simply don't agree on. At this point the only way to achieve peace is if like minded people moved together and the ones that don't get along separate. That goes for California as well as Florida. It's painful in the short term but everyone will be happier long term. That's why it's the "United States " and not a "homogeneous na…

So I need to pack up and move my entire family history across the US because some Bozo got 54% of the vote?

Ridiculous

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by herbstein »

FunnyLookinHat wrote: post #31
muhehe wrote: post #4

Can someone simply explain what is this critical race theory?

I like this definition. > Simply put, critical race theory states that U.S. social institutions (e.g., the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/02/why-are-sta... Put another way, it's allowing the…

>> Simply put, critical race theory states that U.S. social institutions (e.g., the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race.

I'm reminded of this aphorism: "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.".

Similarly, while cops might arrest/stop the people they see breaking the law, if they're disproportionately patrolling minority-majority neighborhoods there will be an unequal effect.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by JaimeThompson »

jaywalk wrote: post #36
fuzzer37 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who includes education about "intersection of race, society, and law" in mathematical books, for what purpose? That's the thing, they don't. And this is all a farce to line the pockets of some publisher in bed with some lawmakers.

I understand we don't have any evidence supporting Florida's claim, but you don't have any evidence supporting what you said either. I'm inclined to believe Florida until shown otherwise.

>I'm inclined to believe Florida until shown otherwise.

That Florida made the active decision to not release the names of the books is a bit strange, don't you think?

Seems like an open government would want to provide their citizens with the details of their decisions instead of hiding it.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by klyrs »

Clubber wrote: post #39
muhehe wrote: post #4

Can someone simply explain what is this critical race theory?

I don't know much about it but it sounds like a topic designed to get the citizenry to bicker at each other about so they don't come together on much more important issues like economic, tax policy and justice reform. News has been trying to get it to stick for a while now.

It's a technical field of legal scholarship that isn't taught outside of law school. It's not designed for "the citizenry," but it's been scapegoated and demonized by folks on the right. That they never define what it is should be a red flag for any critical thinker. The easiest boogeyman to construct is completely amorphous. It requires zero evidence, just a constant onslaught of fearmongering.
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