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Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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>Some important packages are now distributed only through their non-freedom-respecting package system

Wait, why is Ubuntu's package manager "not freedom respecting" but dpkg is? I thought snap was licensed under GPLv3.

>It should be illegal to sell a computer that doesn't let users install software of their own from source code.

Agreed, but this is such a low bar that even iOS meets it. Apple has never attempted to restrict users' ability to compile and run source code. In fact, for almost a decade now the automatic signing in Xcode will sign and provision your compiled code, even if you didn't have a verified and paid-up developer account. The App Store rules about not executing code outside the app bundle also have exceptions specifically for apps that let users load apps from source. The whole debate people are having about sideloading is specifically about distributing binaries; not source - Apple's security model is that you don't get to do that unless they can review your app.

While I would much rather have an iPad that Apple just lets me unlock and accept the risk of doing so, and I do not oppose sideloading... I must point out that much of the people asking for sideloading are proprietary software vendors and not users. Being as vehemently opposed to proprietary software as RMS is means that he's actually on Apple's side of that debate, even though Apple is "the enemy" so to speak.

The comments about Macs being more locked down I don't entirely understand. Apple's bent over backwards to keep a working owner override on Macs, both for the operating system as a whole and individual apps. If you want to run an untrusted binary[0], you right click the app bundle, accept the risk, and continue on with your day. If you want to run a third-party OS, there's a process to do that. Apple even engineered cryptographic verification of the owner account so that, instead of just "turning off Secure Boot" like on PC, you actually sign the new kernel you want to run with your owner key and still have some level of verification that the kernel hasn't been changed behind your back. This is basically "everything the FSF wanted for Secure Boot a decade ago", with the only downside being that it requires a locked-down boot chain in order to provide security guarantees.

>Well, first of all, I don't think there's anything bad about playing a game. Unless the game is non-free — then it's bad for you, if you play it.

Ehhhheheh...

Modern game design has basically turned a lot of games into microtransaction pumps. This is a more complicated issue than just "proprietary bad", because proprietary games used to be far less harmful than they are now. You used to just be able to buy a game and enjoy it, despite it being chained to standard no-touchy copyright terms. Yes, you were running non-free software, but the usual proprietary harms did not apply as they did for other kinds of software. Now they do: games are constantly making excessive time or money demands before you can actually have fun with it and their developers are employing all sorts of psychological tricks to get people to overspend in them.

[0] I do want to point out that codesigning and notarization on macOS was a lot easier to set up than a lot of people have made it out to be.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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> nobody wants Nazis or Pedophiles to spread their opinions because they are obscene. I want both sets of people to expose their views to the public. Disgusting though these views may be, it is safer for society if individuals are able to check and decide that someone else's views are reprehensible. If the people are merely told such by authorities, with the "offending" content immediately removed, then the authoriti…

There’s an argument around growing / shrinking a market here. Have you ever experienced morbid fascination? Some people get addicted to the experience of horror (I don’t mean the genre). This arguably creates a new demand for something that even those demanding it would not otherwise have had any interest in. I think you’re right about the dangers of giving authority over what does and doesn’t get censored, but there…

We "protected" people from heroin addiction by getting a State-sponsored opiod addiction.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Stallman seems like the kinda of guy who would tell you that you need to starve in the streets as long as you fit his version of ethics. All while he lives comfortably off the income of his own celebrity.

The hyperbole doesn't help. Stallman would not tell you that you need to starve in the streets. He is well away that most programmers get paid at least median income, and often much more, and they are normally people who can make choices in their lives, few of which will involve starving in the streets. You don't have to agree that the choices are attractive to acknowledge that they do not need to include starving in…

> He is well away that most programmers get paid at least median income, and often much more

Yes, by working on unfree software, an occupation which he uncompromisingly condemns. Programmers working exclusively on free software would be earning much, much less on average.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Censorship and deplatforming are ways of making the competition shut up. If someone has a different opinion than you do, they should have free speech to say it. Within reason of course, nobody wants Nazis or Pedophiles to spread their opinions because they are obscene. This is why Musk is trying to buy out Twitter, and he is trolling them with his wealth. Don't forget removal from the APP Store or blocked by proxies.…

> nobody wants Nazis or Pedophiles to spread their opinions because they are obscene. I want both sets of people to expose their views to the public. Disgusting though these views may be, it is safer for society if individuals are able to check and decide that someone else's views are reprehensible. If the people are merely told such by authorities, with the "offending" content immediately removed, then the authoriti…

This doesn’t produce a good outcome because violent, indefensible bad actors shout down others and each one drives away 100 reasonable people. Yours is naive idea, though I recognize you are advocating for the good of all.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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> Well, first of all, I don't think there's anything bad about playing a game. Unless the game is non-free — then it's bad for you, if you play it.

I prefer the freedom to decide what’s good for me, and at least thus far have a better track record identifying what would benefit me than RMS has.

I don’t even care about video games, my go to is still winmine.exe but who is anyone to tell me I shouldn’t enjoy that?

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Did you just compare Stallman and the FSF to the Abolitionist movement, and paid software to slavery?

Would it help if they had rephrased it more generically? What is something that you find unethical? How does the example feel if you slot that in, instead of slavery?

Analogies

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Correct, this is why I relatedly believe the Linux Desktop is actually a ridiculously huge success. I don't compare it by percentage of market share, I compare it do "how garbage would desktops be if Linux wasn't around to provide useful pressure?"

> I compare it do "how garbage would desktops be if Linux wasn't around to provide useful pressure?" In what world does Linux on the desktop provide "useful pressure" to anyone? The only Linux "desktop" that has provided any pressure on the desktop to Microsoft and Apple is ChromeOS. ChromeOS is decidedly not a "Linux desktop". If Google flipped ChromeOS to Fuchsia tomorrow it would provide the same pressure with zer…

That there is a desktop OS where everything is open reminds people that are alternatives to walled gardens.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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From what I can tell, RMS asserts we have the right to inspect the source code of the software that runs on our machines. What is the source of this right? Is it a universal human right? A self-evident inalienable right? Did RMS want to hack a printer one day and found he couldn't so he made up a right for us? Why are people who ship closed software evil? For someone who goes around moralizing and judging others, RMS always seemed to me on shaky ground. Does he have a better way for programmers to earn a living for their hard work besides writing closed software for companies to sell? He comes off to me as a crank and a scold on a power trip to control people.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Around the 8 and 9 min mark RMS talks about old hardware losing software support, like 32 bit systems. I am a kernel developer and the kernel removes code for a lot of older systems all the time (often lesser known 32bit ARM systems). Phoronix reported that 5.18 removed the Andes NDS32 CPU arch code. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-51... The reason they do this is because a lot of these syst…

Stallman is not a pragmatic guy. He picks all battles related to free software simultaneously.
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