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A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

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Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#51
post #27

Disulfiram is a very familiar and very old line drug. It doesn't (directly) stop people from drinking alcohol, but just makes it very unpleasant. Disulfiram interferes with the breakdown of the normal metabolic products of alcohol, which cause nausea, headache, flushing, sweating and other autonomic symptoms. With large amounts of alcohol the interaction can be dangerous, rarely even fatal. But the article is reporti…

Being unable to tolerate drinking alcohol is the norm, not the other way around. There are a lot of people around the world who have an alcohol intolerance or "allergy", interestingly the exact same effect you experience when taking this drug. Trust me, from personal experience you're not going to forget . There's a reason they treat addicts with this.

Yes, it's true that a significant fraction of certain populations have an intrinsic disulfiram-like reaction to alcohol. (Affected individuals don't produce the enzyme that disulfiram interferes with.) For sure these people have a good reason to avoid alcohol.

Whether this inherited intolerance of alcohol is the norm depends on which populations we're talking about. For example among people with European ancestry this genetic variation is uncommon. And indeed alcohol dependence is a huge issue in many parts of the world.

In my experience disulfiram is only useful with people who are motivated to quit drinking. Forcing alcoholics to take disulfiram is asking for catastrophe. (Courts used to impose this condition on people charged with driving while intoxicated.) I've known individuals who drank anyway and wound up in the Emergency Department. Fortunately none died but it can happen. Anyway it's an issue because having an anxiety disorder often leads to abusing alcohol.

But the article's real story is not only the potential antianxiety benefit of disulfiram, but the intriguing finding regarding novel mechanisms of action, and that is worthwhile exploring further whether the drug ever gets approved for this new use, or not.

Not at all contradicting your point. It just goes to show we have to take things in context, the context itself being subject to infinite variation.

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#52
post #27

Disulfiram is a very familiar and very old line drug. It doesn't (directly) stop people from drinking alcohol, but just makes it very unpleasant. Disulfiram interferes with the breakdown of the normal metabolic products of alcohol, which cause nausea, headache, flushing, sweating and other autonomic symptoms. With large amounts of alcohol the interaction can be dangerous, rarely even fatal. But the article is reporti…

I have bad anxiety and I would 100% be willing to give up alcohol for some relief from anxiety. Anxiety already means I can't really enjoy going out. Social pressure to drink can be a problem but usually saying you can't because of medication will get people off your back.

Don't know if disulfiram will pan out, the study is at a very early stage. But of course people who are motivated to take the drug and understand the need to avoid alcohol will be ideal candidates for this approach. Let's hope the studies go well. Good news is that since it's already on the market there should be fewer impediments to its availability.

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#53
post #7

Given the extremely strong negative reaction to alcohol that patients who are taking Disulfiram experience and given that this is apparently the sole effect that alcohol abuse cessation treatment using it relies on, it is my belief that the treatment is unconscionable and inhumane. I quit drinking after more than 25 years of problematic drinking using naltrexone (The Sinclair Method) and, given my experience with alc…

"I urge people who have a problem with drinking and wish to quit, who for whatever reason do not feel that 12 step programs like Alcoholics Anonymous"

I urge people to see an addiction specialist first. Do not see AA first. See a doctor asap. This disease is serious and has a high fatality rate. AA meetings are like a club after you have it under control (EG. don't attend drunk).

Disulfiram: An old military drug. This will stop you drinking but you need a significant other or parent involved. Each morning you must take the pill and your significant other needs watch to double check. Doctors are scared to prescribe this and the drug companies are ramping down it's production. Hoarding the drug is common.

naltrexone: This comes in two forms. The pill and the shot. When you first take this you should do the shot form. The shot lasts 30 days and there is not a possibility of skipping out on pills. Naltrexone will ruin the Euphoria feeling of alcohol and opioids (so it's a kind of two for one). No addiction specialists back the 'the Sinclair Method' but do back daily use of Naltrexone.

Rehab: Good short term, bad long term. Rehab failure rate is over %90. A normal rehab will run 10-30k per incident. Do not leave unless you had a Naltrexone shot. Longer stays will impact work, an unemployed Alcoholic is dangerous.

Alcoholics Anonymous: Very* difficult for people with social anxiety. People that succeed here find a sponsor which is like dating. You will be rejected literally by tens of potential sponsors until one says yes (hang in there!). AA has a very high success rate for extroverts who become a sponsor - caring over others going through alcoholism seems to rewire the brain.

Baker Acted/Marchman: If you have a family member (or a friend but you have family contacts) drinking to a point where they are unable to make decisions - you can file a Baker act. [Name varies wildly state to state]. A court can determine the individual needs intervention and can use state authorities to detain. Depending on your court appearance after 72 hours (don't be drunk lol) - the judge orders more jail time or programs.

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#54
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to hear it .. I've been sober 12 years (cold turkey after years of attempts) and when I was struggling I tried to get a prescription for Antabuse and doc said no. I see no reason not to try whatever tools are available to save someone from a terrible life (or death).

Antabuse can lead to death or dangerous healh problems. The doctor is and will be responsible for that, so he wont take the risk.

"Antabuse can lead to death or dangerous health problems."

So can a slew of other drugs. You should see the drug risks for stuff folks take for autoimmune disorders. It isn't just up to the doctor to mitigate the risks: Patients must do their part as well (blood tests and so on).

And most importantly: So can alcoholism. Alcoholism kills slowly. Withdrawal can kill not-so-slowly. Somehow, do you think the doctor is not responsible for refusing help when the alternative risks include death as well?

That said, I'm not a doctor and there are generally (but not always) good reasons to avoid a drug or another. The risk of drugs by itself usually isn't it, though, as it depends on effectiveness compared to other drugs/methods and comparing the risk of cure to the risk of continued disease.

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#55
I'm half asian and I get the "Asian flush" [0] which for all intents and purposes induces the same effect as this drug (DSF)

>Individuals who experience the alcohol flushing reaction may be less prone to alcoholism. Disulfiram, a drug sometimes given as treatment for alcoholism, works by inhibiting acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, causing a five to tenfold increase in the concentration of acetaldehyde in the body. The resulting irritating flushing reaction tends to discourage affected individuals from drinking.[9][10]

I literally have a negative feedback loop from drinking alcohol, it makes me feel really bad, my skin flushes, I feel my heartbeat in my chest/neck/head, and I literally feel miserable.

Honestly, it kind of sucks, because when you can't drink you notice how much socialising is based around alcohol. I've found ways to cope with this and am on good terms with myself now but it really took me a long time. Especially to get around the social/peer pressure of having to drink.

On the bright side, I'll likely never become an alcoholic.

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#56
post #27

Disulfiram is a very familiar and very old line drug. It doesn't (directly) stop people from drinking alcohol, but just makes it very unpleasant. Disulfiram interferes with the breakdown of the normal metabolic products of alcohol, which cause nausea, headache, flushing, sweating and other autonomic symptoms. With large amounts of alcohol the interaction can be dangerous, rarely even fatal. But the article is reporti…

I have bad anxiety and I would 100% be willing to give up alcohol for some relief from anxiety. Anxiety already means I can't really enjoy going out. Social pressure to drink can be a problem but usually saying you can't because of medication will get people off your back.

Might be worth experimenting with giving up caffeine. I noticed pretty immediate changes.

www.reddit.com/r/decaf for lots of anecdotal stories

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#57
post #7

Given the extremely strong negative reaction to alcohol that patients who are taking Disulfiram experience and given that this is apparently the sole effect that alcohol abuse cessation treatment using it relies on, it is my belief that the treatment is unconscionable and inhumane. I quit drinking after more than 25 years of problematic drinking using naltrexone (The Sinclair Method) and, given my experience with alc…

Interesting side note, shaggy mane mushroom has a similar effect to disulfuram.

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#58
post #30

Need to point out that the disease theory of addiction is hotly debated in the US. Not so much in developed countries where socialized medicine is available, where the theory is widely discounted. Those interested should take a look at the work of Stanton Peele.

I’d imagine most addiction occurs when the body has a natural imbalance in certain neurotransmitters (GABA), so it seeks a way to adjust the balance (alcohol). Seems fair to call that natural imbalance a disease.

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have bad anxiety and I would 100% be willing to give up alcohol for some relief from anxiety. Anxiety already means I can't really enjoy going out. Social pressure to drink can be a problem but usually saying you can't because of medication will get people off your back.

Might be worth experimenting with giving up caffeine. I noticed pretty immediate changes. www.reddit.com/r/decaf for lots of anecdotal stories

I haven't had caffeine in years. But yes, giving it up did help a bit. Though I'm tired a lot more now.

Re: A drug that cures alcoholism may be the next anti-anxiety medication

#60

I'm half asian and I get the "Asian flush" [0] which for all intents and purposes induces the same effect as this drug (DSF) >Individuals who experience the alcohol flushing reaction may be less prone to alcoholism. Disulfiram, a drug sometimes given as treatment for alcoholism, works by inhibiting acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, causing a five to tenfold increase in the concentration of acetaldehyde in the body. The res…

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