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DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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For example removing tass from their index

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tass

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Atass.com&t=ffab&df=m&ia=web

vs

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atass.com&tbs=qdr%3Am

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Question: does anyone actually know what DDG does with user data? Like they market themselves as a "privacy respecting" search engine, but how much of this is truth? I'd imagine there's good money in convincing people they have privacy because then they'll provide more interesting data. Has the company ever been audited? Why should they be trusted to not compromise user privacy? Imo at least Google is honest: you kno…

I read about a Github issue [1] where someone reports that all websites a user clicks on to DDG servers. Reading the employee's response was eye opening. They literally do not care if it has a bad look, they just say "we don't collect your personal information." What??? They are literally admitting to collecting domains in the feed of the Github issue but then just copy and paste their manifesto and expect us to thin…

Did you keep reading? This issue was subsequently fixed.

> Hi all, CTO of DuckDuckGo here.

[... mucho explanation...]

> So, we went ahead today and implemented the change for both Android (#878) and iOS (duckduckgo/iOS#667) that will move this logic onto the client, and we will no longer be using the favicon service in our apps. These changes are currently in the release phase and are rolling out live now.

https://github.com/duckduckgo/Android/issues/527#issuecommen...

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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You want a list of spam sites, phishing, malware, and SEO-driven gibberish with back-links? Yeah, I guess that would probably be useful for something. Academic research into just how awful people are, perhaps. And, of course, as a blackhole list. Just make sure you get a bulk discount on disk space. Such a list would be huge .

"You want a list of spam sites, phishing, malware, and SEO-driven gibberish with back-links?" Yes, exactly, I want exactly whatever I search for, including that if that's what I search for. If I search for something which exists, then I want the knowledge of that existence. The value judgement is no one else's business unless I search for "X but only where approved by any governments or companies with any political o…

You don't really get the knowledge of its existence if it's one of thirty million hits. A search engine that includes everything is a kind of Library of Babel. The info is there but it doesn't help you.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories I am very interested in seeing you explain which ones have been proven true and your citing of sources.

Example A - Outrageous But False Claim's: Pizzagate -> "Debunked conspiracy theory that after Hillary Clinton's campaign email hack falsely claimed emails contained coded messages that connected several high-ranking Democratic Party officials and alleged human trafficking child sex ring" Minor But Still Serious and True Facts: Anthony Weiner was elected for New York congressional terms as Democrat politician 7 times.…

"Lately, almost every conspiracy theory has been proven true."

Example A: You showed it isn't true. Example B: not present on list(1) Example C: not present on list(1) Example D: not present on list(1)

(1)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories

Well done.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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post #391
post #387

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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tass

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Atass.com&t=ffab&df=m&ia=web vs https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atass.com&tbs=qdr%3Am

Not sure what is going on with those URL params, but I see results just fine at https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Atass.com and in any case an easier way to do things is to not use a site search but just put the domain or name in the query like 'ukraine tass' and something from that site will usually come up on top.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Can you explain how an unbiased search engine would work? Sounds like a billion dollar idea tbh.

Compose an index by randomly spidering IP addresses. Return search results by randomly selecting an exact string match from the index. Rats, probably not a billion dollar idea after all!

One could reproduce a similar effect by surrounding your query with double-quotes on Google.

> Return search results by randomly selecting an exact string match from the index.

It could potentially surface results that you could not have found otherwise. A random dump of links, each one's relevance you must determine on your own. Or another way to put it: you do the ranking. Not a very fun idea to most.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

#397
post #354

Question: does anyone actually know what DDG does with user data? Like they market themselves as a "privacy respecting" search engine, but how much of this is truth? I'd imagine there's good money in convincing people they have privacy because then they'll provide more interesting data. Has the company ever been audited? Why should they be trusted to not compromise user privacy? Imo at least Google is honest: you kno…

> Question: does anyone actually know what DDG does with user data? Like they market themselves as a "privacy respecting" search engine, but how much of this is truth? It doesn't matter. Why? Because when going through the exercise of identifying risks in the system one can't assume the actors are benevolent and won't ever use the access+data they have for evil. That's not at all to say all actors are evil and will a…

Even ignoring the indirect data correlate risk; it is also poor risk management to use one company for your entire digital life. It means having to keep actively abreast of what you lose access to in the event of an account ban & do contingency planning because correlated failures in systems are much more painful than random ones.

Better to just have 1 Google service you use and find someone else for the others. Their search index is a little better than DDG's I think, but the difference is pretty small compared to the risks you outline and the risk of Google going rogue and deciding I'm a Russian or committed some other similar crime & need to be booted from their services.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Example A - Outrageous But False Claim's: Pizzagate -> "Debunked conspiracy theory that after Hillary Clinton's campaign email hack falsely claimed emails contained coded messages that connected several high-ranking Democratic Party officials and alleged human trafficking child sex ring" Minor But Still Serious and True Facts: Anthony Weiner was elected for New York congressional terms as Democrat politician 7 times.…

"Lately, almost every conspiracy theory has been proven true." Example A: You showed it isn't true. Example B: not present on list(1) Example C: not present on list(1) Example D: not present on list(1) (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories Well done.

I am not the NSA. And the comment was not meant to be understood as talking about every crazy nutter conspiracy theory aggregated into a Wikipedia page.

So what are you stating with the comment? All conspiracy theories are false or did not originate on some less outrageous event?

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

#399

Unfortunately, Bing (and thus DDG) removes proper websites from their index for unknown reasons, without any way to get this sorted out [0]. My blog (10 years, no spam content) has been delisted for 2 months now. The Bing webmaster tools don't display any error. After using DDG for 2-3 years, both as my main search engine and as OpenSearch for my blog, I had to switch back to Google. [0] https://techcommunity.microso…

That's out-of-order on two counts. I see there are plenty of others in the same boat. Our thus far smaller but 5+ billion index has you covered: https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=site%3Awww.espositosoftware....

Thanks, but that is not my site. Mine is darekkay.com and it isn't indexed by mojeek.

Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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"You want a list of spam sites, phishing, malware, and SEO-driven gibberish with back-links?" Yes, exactly, I want exactly whatever I search for, including that if that's what I search for. If I search for something which exists, then I want the knowledge of that existence. The value judgement is no one else's business unless I search for "X but only where approved by any governments or companies with any political o…

You don't really get the knowledge of its existence if it's one of thirty million hits. A search engine that includes everything is a kind of Library of Babel. The info is there but it doesn't help you.

I am the only one who may say that.
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