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DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Post by JetSpiegel »

throwaway82652 wrote: post #264
rglullis wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is not "consuming things for free", the point is neutering "the Biz". I for one wouldn't mind to lose Hollywood as an industry , or Broadway, or Silicon Valley... All of these industries are way too big and over-influential in all aspects of our lives, and leave us without any chance of a more human-scale alternative to counteract. I mean, how many TV networks are owned by Disney? Do you really think that a…

This makes no sense. Disney is not stopping you from making your own home movies. You can even put them on YouTube or any of the other alternatives. There's actually lots of good criticisms of Disney, but you didn't mention any of them.

> Disney is not stopping you from making your own home movies.

Excuse me? What if I want to adapt some Hans Christian Andersen story over 150 years old and get a cease and desist from Disney? Even if their adaptations are older than many people alive today.

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

barnabee wrote: post #26

I don’t need these results but I don’t want to support this behaviour/trend. Can anyone recommend a decent non-Google alternative.

Your choices are limited, and very few independent indexes. Most options are Bing alternatives: https://seirdy.one/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexe...

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

hntaw012 wrote: post #356
TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #268

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I think it all comes down to the type of curation being done and if the choices are made out of objectivity of subjectivity. Like prioritizing a legitimate website over a scam website isn't punishing the scam website because of a controversial opinion or the search engine operator didn't like the content, it's because the website is objectively a scam, it's easy to objectively identify it as such, and everyone agrees…

This kind of thinking is exactly why the Russian misinformation campaigns have been extremely successful (especially in Russia). Russia doesn't care about the individual outlets as long as they help spread lies, no matter how absurd or obvious. This doesn't have to be done as carefully or subtly as the western world seems to think. Russia is discrediting truth as a concept entirely, the narrative being "we are obviou…

I think we should try to enforce transparency and make sure that false information can be disputed.

If Russia sends armies of trolls to clandestinely influence social media consumers as part of their information warfare operation then we should try to stop that.

But if Russia officially publishes its own position under the name of its own news agency or in their government media then we should not censor it and we should not keep it off western platforms where it can be clearly marked and disputed.

I want to know how Russia justifies its brutal war of aggression against a neighbour. I fully expect that their justification is full of lies and distortions. But it's truth in the sense that it is in fact how Russia justifies the war. I want to know that truth.

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

majewsky wrote: post #274
moffkalast wrote: post #183

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They sure sound like a Microsoft shell company. Because nobody that's fully conscious will ever deliberately use Bing they had to get creative and rebrand it with the usual privacy and safety buzzword slogans that VPNs have perfected in the last years.

The most obvious problem with this conspiracy theory is that Bing became available in 2009, but DuckDuckGo was founded one year earlier.

DDG used Yahoo to start with; Yahoo had their own index at that time. DDG switched to Bing later, and since then Yahoo abandoned their index and started using Bing.

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Post by throwmeariver1 »

colordrops wrote: post #331
throwmeariver1 wrote: post #325

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Which search engine are you using now? I bet we will find them downranking for political reasons as well but I bet you are fine with their reasoning…

We are talking in circles. If I'm gonna use an engine that downranks for political reasons then I might as well not use a shit one like DDG.

No you are avoiding a simple question with a nothing burger answer.

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Post by yegg »

yeahman wrote: post #351
mastazi wrote: post #178

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> censoring content for political reasons (Ukraine) what type of content did they censor? Do you have a link with more info?

For example removing tass from their index

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tass

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Post by yegg »

zodzedzi wrote: post #69

I use DDG as my default search engine, along with NoScript in the browser. Often when I visit a new website, I peruse the (long) list of domains that the site is trying to pull javascripts from. I keep most of those source sites in UNTRUSTED status (including some of the big names in search/ads/etc). But I've always had DDG in the TRUSTED category because I had only seen its javascript before on the main DDG website.…

We don't use third-party scripts on our site and I don't know of any sites using our scripts either.

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Post by Siira »

throwaway82652 wrote: post #203
autoexec wrote: post #51

It's amazing how much collateral damage is caused by our horrible copyright laws. Mostly just so the MPA/RIAA can protect their roles as gatekeepers of what we're allowed to see and hear. They can put enormous pressure on even the wealthiest and most powerful companies to act as copyright police on their behalf. Even Google is afraid of them. ISPs are forced to spend huge amounts of time and money working for them. N…

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

Researchers? Seriously? What IP do researchers have?

Copyright reform is not “defunding copyright.” It’s a reform. It wouldn’t hurt individuals, unless they are super successful, and even then, not that much. And it helps everyone have higher quality, cheaper content and political freedom.

The problem is simply that the media is once again suppressing the lower/middle class for the one percent, and spreading FUD.

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Post by BartBoch »

calibas wrote: post #152
srvmshr wrote: post #39

Serious Question: How is the DDG search structured? Is it a cosmetic skin over Bing, or is it aggregating from other sites like Yahoo, ecosia etc additionally? If it is just Bing under the hood, how does it exist as business entity. I am sure MS will take some action to consolidate their search share rather than seeing splintered.

HN constantly mentions DDG is really just Bing in disguise and they're essentially the same. However, that can't be entirely true because they produce different results for the same search term. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=obscure+search+term&ia=web https://www4.bing.com/search?q=obscure+search+term That being said, when Bing censored "tank man", DDG's image search also produced 0 results for "tank man".

Did you try in incognito? Your search gave me nearly identical results.
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