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DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Post by throwaway82652 »

rglullis wrote: post #257
throwaway82652 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

> You have to play ball with them or they will simply not be able to produce those things anymore. You say that like it's a bad thing. I wish it was that easy to get them to stop producing all that crap, but it seems that the easier it gets to pirate things, the more cultural garbage they produce.

To be clear here, you're saying that you want all writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, to just stop doing things? Would it make you happy if I just threw out my painting supplies and my clarinet?

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Post by TobyTheDog123 »

antiframe wrote: post #240
colordrops wrote: post #236

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If I'm gonna use a biased engine why use a shit one like DDG?

Which search engines are not "shit" in your estimation?

I'm not OP, but I'll weigh in:

Google - it's a really good search engine, but obviously biased and doesn't care about your privacy. I use it on my work machine.

Brave Search - I'm not sure if another service (like Bing) powers their results, but it works pretty well for my personal use cases.

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Post by throwaway82652 »

pessimizer wrote: post #243
throwaway82652 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

> You have to play ball with them or they will simply not be able to produce those things anymore. They should stop, and we can freely share what's left. Their bullshit crowds out everything else anyway.

What is "everything else" in this context? You're saying that every writer should stop writing books, every artist should stop making art, every musician should stop making music... That is everything as far as our information society goes, there won't be any "everything else" after that.

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Post by throwaway82652 »

rglullis wrote: post #251
fleddr wrote: post #231

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Fully agree. "collateral damage" just means...why can't I just consume everything for free, as if it's some human right?

The point is not "consuming things for free", the point is neutering "the Biz". I for one wouldn't mind to lose Hollywood as an industry , or Broadway, or Silicon Valley... All of these industries are way too big and over-influential in all aspects of our lives, and leave us without any chance of a more human-scale alternative to counteract. I mean, how many TV networks are owned by Disney? Do you really think that a…

This makes no sense. Disney is not stopping you from making your own home movies. You can even put them on YouTube or any of the other alternatives.

There's actually lots of good criticisms of Disney, but you didn't mention any of them.

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Post by Terry_Roll »

zagrebian wrote: post #87
derevaunseraun wrote: post #73

Question: does anyone actually know what DDG does with user data? Like they market themselves as a "privacy respecting" search engine, but how much of this is truth? I'd imagine there's good money in convincing people they have privacy because then they'll provide more interesting data. Has the company ever been audited? Why should they be trusted to not compromise user privacy? Imo at least Google is honest: you kno…

If Duck really collects user data, the moment this is found out, they’re dead, so for that reason alone, they probably don’t do it. The alternative is that they’re betting everything on nobody ever finding out which sounds crazy.

Thats the philosophy of every criminal entity including govts, police, security services and everyone else.

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Post by autoexec »

throwaway82652 wrote: post #203
autoexec wrote: post #51

It's amazing how much collateral damage is caused by our horrible copyright laws. Mostly just so the MPA/RIAA can protect their roles as gatekeepers of what we're allowed to see and hear. They can put enormous pressure on even the wealthiest and most powerful companies to act as copyright police on their behalf. Even Google is afraid of them. ISPs are forced to spend huge amounts of time and money working for them. N…

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

> Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers

Plenty of those same people are fed up with copyright law in the US too. There are people releasing their works under more permissive licenses, publishing directly to torrent sites, etc. The fact is that most of the time copyright enforcement doesn't do a damn thing for the creators anyway. They rarely keep the copyright of what they produce. It does however often hinder their ability to work on things they'd like to, and it opens them up to legal risks from others who might claim their works are too close to their own. There's a very real chilling effect where creators may never even publish works out of fear that they'll be dragged into court against a team of industry lawyers. Our excessive copyright and patent system actually hinders more than it encourages new works.

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Post by throwaway82652 »

autoexec wrote: post #266
throwaway82652 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

> Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers Plenty of those same people are fed up with copyright law in the US too. There are people releasing their works under more permissive licenses, publishing directly to torrent sites, etc. The fact is that most of the time copyright enforcement doesn't do a damn thing for the creators any…

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Post by TobyTheDog123 »

kube-system wrote: post #234
grapeskin wrote: post #212

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People complain about search engines like Google being full of garbage and fake info. DDG takes actions against that and people cry that it’s not fair. Are they supposed to just let governments astroturf their way to the top with propaganda?

I think some people are under the impression that it’s possible to build a useful search engine that is completely algorithmic and unbiased. It’s just not possible, though. Any algorithm for which there is incentive to game, people will game. And legitimate sources often have no incentive to game the algorithms. There’s no one algorithm that will do everything perfectly. Eventually you’ll have some phishing scam, lif…

I think it all comes down to the type of curation being done and if the choices are made out of objectivity of subjectivity.

Like prioritizing a legitimate website over a scam website isn't punishing the scam website because of a controversial opinion or the search engine operator didn't like the content, it's because the website is objectively a scam, it's easy to objectively identify it as such, and everyone agrees it's one.

When it comes to Ukraine vs. Russia and propaganda, it is entirely impossible to have objectivity. As angry as this will make some people, opinions on the war in Ukraine are subjective. Russian outlets shouldn't be ranked lower than Ukrainian ones solely because a lot of people are on the side of Ukraine.

I'm sure some Russian outlets are spreading objective falsehoods, and some Ukrainian outlets are spreading objective falsehoods. These individual outlets should be punished in search rankings, but to classify all Russian outlets as spreading misinformation and all Ukrainian outlets as objective truth completely demolishes the objectivity a lot of people want their search engines to have.

It's a difficult topic, I feel like I talked in circles writing this comment.

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Post by autoexec »

fleddr wrote: post #231
throwaway82652 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

Fully agree. "collateral damage" just means...why can't I just consume everything for free, as if it's some human right?

It means people being forced off the internet because of nothing but unproven accusations because they only have one ISP in their area.

It means artists who never publish their works because they're afraid of being sued for being a little too close to what someone else did once a century ago.

It means creative projects that never get started because while the will is there, the rights needed are impossible to obtain.

It means non-infringing works like youtube-dl get silenced and hidden from the public because they are inconvenient to media giants

It means accepting internet censorship without oversight.

It means DRM crippled hardware that you but are never allowed to own.

It means DRM crippled software that can never be preserved and archived in a usable format.

It means your culture and your history being paywalled off or locked away

If you this this is an issue of "I just want free stuff" you clearly haven't been paying attention.

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