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Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Post by fleddr »

throwaway82652 wrote: post #203
autoexec wrote: post #51

It's amazing how much collateral damage is caused by our horrible copyright laws. Mostly just so the MPA/RIAA can protect their roles as gatekeepers of what we're allowed to see and hear. They can put enormous pressure on even the wealthiest and most powerful companies to act as copyright police on their behalf. Even Google is afraid of them. ISPs are forced to spend huge amounts of time and money working for them. N…

There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

Fully agree.

"collateral damage" just means...why can't I just consume everything for free, as if it's some human right?

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Post by user_7832 »

californical wrote: post #128
brewdad wrote: post #110

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So where does one from here for everyday search? Google is out. Bing has many of the same problems as Google. Startpage blocks my VPN. Brave has always felt just a little "off" to me, but maybe they're worth a try. Any others I've missed that are worth looking into?

I found Kagi[0] from somewhere on HN -- they make pretty strong privacy claims, and are in a closed Beta stage right now (you can give them your email, and they'll send you a signup link within a week or two). They're planning to charge a fixed rate for their search engine once they're out of beta later this year. So far, it seems to be working really well for me! Results are pretty excellent, and they support the DD…

> they'll send you a signup link within a week or two

Is it though? I think I've been on the wait list for a few months now.

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Post by kube-system »

grapeskin wrote: post #212
artificial wrote: post #205

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Here's one: https://mashable.com/article/duckduckgo-search-engine-russia...

People complain about search engines like Google being full of garbage and fake info. DDG takes actions against that and people cry that it’s not fair. Are they supposed to just let governments astroturf their way to the top with propaganda?

I think some people are under the impression that it’s possible to build a useful search engine that is completely algorithmic and unbiased. It’s just not possible, though.

Any algorithm for which there is incentive to game, people will game. And legitimate sources often have no incentive to game the algorithms. There’s no one algorithm that will do everything perfectly. Eventually you’ll have some phishing scam, life-threatening suggestions, or illegal content popping up as a top result, and you’ll have to add manual exceptions.

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Post by pessimizer »

kwatsonafter wrote: post #163
throwawaybutwhy wrote: post #101

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A certain philosopher named Occam would suggest that the simplest explanation for nobody finding out so far is that it is three-letter agencies who might be the ultimate funders and data buyers.

A certain philosopher named Occam would suggest that appeals to conspiracy are much harder to substantiate than appeals to incompetence or irresponsibility.

That's Hanlon. He has a "razor" that says that anyone who maintains plausible deniability should be assumed to be innocently blundering, no matter how much that blunder benefited them.

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Post by colordrops »

0134340 wrote: post #226
colordrops wrote: post #161

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I used them nearly exclusively and recommended them to all my friends. Once they started censoring content for political reasons (Ukraine), that ended instantly.

Which enlightened search engine did you switch to that doesn't bias results?

If I'm gonna use a biased engine why use a shit one like DDG?

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Post by pessimizer »

robbrown451 wrote: post #171
autoexec wrote: post #139

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Here's my take: Duckduckgo could easily be fully owned and operated by some three letter agency. The NSA is already able to go onsite and tap into the data that passes through corporations and they've been doing exactly that for decades (see Room 641A) and they can force corporations to keep silent about it using national security letters. You should already assume that every US based company is sending every scrap o…

> The worst case scenario would be that Duckduckgo is actually secretly run by Google and the data being collecting from the service is being used to help fill your dossier at Google but if that's the case we're never going to know about it until a whistleblower comes forward. The problem with this (and most other conspiratorial thinking) is that of course a whistleblower is going to come forward. Are you thinking th…

This depends on the strange theory that every intelligence agency front or partnership has been discovered by the general public while it was operating, and that the agencies are themselves irrational for ever even trying it.

edit: sometimes the arguments against "conspiracy theories" become arguments against the current existence and operation of intelligence agencies. As if all of those employees did nothing all day, and all of those billions are flushed down the toilet.

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Post by amelius »

fleddr wrote: post #231
throwaway82652 wrote: post #203

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There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get pai…

Fully agree. "collateral damage" just means...why can't I just consume everything for free, as if it's some human right?

Not true in the case of Yt-dl.

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Post by syshum »

einpoklum wrote: post #180
syshum wrote: post #154

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Brave was started by one of the Founders of Mozilla.

With respect to the Mozilla project (not so much to its current state) - that does not mean much. Different people were involved with it, and that was 25 years ago.

Less than 10 years go... but ok

It was also a time of Mozilla growth not decline like it is today

Hell I would more charge Mozilla with being CIA front group than Brave based on their modern actions

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Post by antiframe »

colordrops wrote: post #236
0134340 wrote: post #226

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Which enlightened search engine did you switch to that doesn't bias results?

If I'm gonna use a biased engine why use a shit one like DDG?

Which search engines are not "shit" in your estimation?
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