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Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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I don't really understand how this "poison pill" is legal. Imagine that you own a stock that can be sold at free market at $10/share. Then the board decides that whoever buys those shares will have to resell them to board members at $1. This means that now the price of those shares drops to $1 and you have lost $9 per share. How this can be legal?

Poison pill shares are new shares, issued by the company and then sold to existing shareholders (with the exception of anybody who owns more than say, 15%). Since these shares are sold at a discount to the current market price, it is arguable that existing shareholders are benefiting as they now get more shares at a cheaper price, while also screwing over anybody who is trying to get >15%.

Now, you may argue that it is in the best interest of the shareholders to allow the hostile takeover to go through, but it appears that the strict mechanics of the poison pill do not immediately hurt shareholders.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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What if the stock crashes in the future? Having a guarantee profit sounds like a pretty good deal for some.

Guaranteed profit at the point in time is great for speculators. If you're doing long term investment, realizing profit at random point in time, isn't really that attractive.

I sold a lot of bitcoin for $20 in 2008, quadrupled my initial investment and felt pretty smart about it.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

#353

I don't really understand how this "poison pill" is legal. Imagine that you own a stock that can be sold at free market at $10/share. Then the board decides that whoever buys those shares will have to resell them to board members at $1. This means that now the price of those shares drops to $1 and you have lost $9 per share. How this can be legal?

It's based on a constrained interpretation the business judgement rule [1][2][3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_judgment_rule

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moran_v._Household_Internation....

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unocal_Corp._v._Mesa_Petroleum....

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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post #343

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Same. If I own 10% of a company, how can the board just decide through some mechanism that I now really own like 8% ?

They can always do that, by just issuing more shares. In fact, if you buy X shares, the percentage of the company you own could well decline over time. Or increase, in the case of stock buybacks.

Are there guardrails on this? This comment makes it sound like the board can print their own money.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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post #351

I don't really understand how this "poison pill" is legal. Imagine that you own a stock that can be sold at free market at $10/share. Then the board decides that whoever buys those shares will have to resell them to board members at $1. This means that now the price of those shares drops to $1 and you have lost $9 per share. How this can be legal?

Poison pill shares are new shares, issued by the company and then sold to existing shareholders (with the exception of anybody who owns more than say, 15%). Since these shares are sold at a discount to the current market price, it is arguable that existing shareholders are benefiting as they now get more shares at a cheaper price, while also screwing over anybody who is trying to get >15%. Now, you may argue that it…

> poison pill shares are new shares

There are many varieties of poison pills [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholder_rights_plan

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

#357

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Hostile, in financial terms, is whenever the board or CEO did not initiate a conversation around an acquisition, and it is just made to the company.

No it isn't. They key is that management and board are against it and the deal is still pursued by the (potential) acquirer. It is perfectly possible to initiate a conversation regarding an acquisition and this is not a hostile takeover per-se though it could develop into one. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hostiletakeover.asp

Musk made an unsolicited, and what seems to be a non-investment choice, purchase of almost 10% of the shares and wanted to join the board. As far as I can tell, the board made his board seat contingent on Musk not buying more than 14.9% and Musk said no, and a few days later offered to buy the company outright. Now Twitter is taking moves to prevent a hostile takeover. That sounds like a hostile takeover to me.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

#358
post #66

People are overlooking the fact that a poison pill will likely increase the price of Musk's final offer, and in doing so will maximize shareholder value. Put another way, Musk may be willing to pay a lot more than a 25% premium for Twitter (he already said he doesn't care about price). Without this poison pill, Musk can force a takeover by accumulating shares. With this poison pill, the board has leverage to maximize…

or the stock can be dumped with public fanfare, bringing it to a fantastically low price. Then, it can be purchased back, even with the 25% premium, likely for the same total price.

This is wishful thinking. I doubt elons sale would have the effect you expect.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Elon said he'd keep as many shareholders as he's legally allowed to.

"Elon said" is not a stamp of trust anymore. Elon also said TSLA would accept Dogecoin, which he had accumulated prior to communicating it. Then he sold it off. History should be a lesson here, it's almost Deja Vu with Twitter

Sure thing you can buy stuff from Tesla with Dogecoin.

https://www.tesla.com/support/dogecoin

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

#360

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Under DE law, my understanding is that you are slightly off on this. Boards do have a duty to maximize shareholder value. THAT SAID, the business judgement rule provides that judges will not second guess the board absent evidence of gross negligence or total disregard of duty. This is because the Delaware court has decided that judges are not better than boards at evaluating business decisions. BUT! Overcoming the BJ…

I said this below but I don't think Dodge v. Ford is particularly really plays much into modern case law outside of the judgement rule. To my knowledge, it's never been cited in Delaware (against the board at least). A case that stands out more to me (being both more modern as well as at the federal level) is Burwell v. Hobby Lobby: "While it is certainly true that a central objective of for-profit corporations is to…

I hear what you are saying. Hobby Lobby is an important case but to me Hobby Lobby doesn't really implicate the same policy concerns. Hobby Lobby was a closely held (read family held) private corporation. I agree that the language is dramatic, but I don't really think it the case has much to say about the duty to maximize shareholder value in widely held or public companies.

I read that quote from Hobby Lobby as saying "Sure, where you own the whole thing you can do what you want, whatever, it's not like you are hurting any other shareholders" but I would hesitate in relying on getting that type of language in other fact patterns.

Note that the plaintiff in Hobby Lobby was the secretary health - not a disgruntled shareholder.

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