Is there an alternative search engine that actually searches the web with removing search results?
DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results
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Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results
#202As for the YouTube-DL part specifically, I'm pretty sure that's a side-effect of them being dependent upon Bing for the actual index: https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Ayoutube-dl.org Also, _come on_; if someone gives up after one search term, which also includes advanced site-restricting syntax, there's no way they'd be able to operate youtube-dl anyway: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube-dl&ia=web
DuckDuckGo is not solely dependent on Bing. They use Bing as one sourc of the, but they've run their own crawlers since at least 2012.
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#203It's amazing how much collateral damage is caused by our horrible copyright laws. Mostly just so the MPA/RIAA can protect their roles as gatekeepers of what we're allowed to see and hear. They can put enormous pressure on even the wealthiest and most powerful companies to act as copyright police on their behalf. Even Google is afraid of them. ISPs are forced to spend huge amounts of time and money working for them. N…
There is no political will in the US to change the copyright system. Aside from some technologists, I haven't seen anybody who actually wants that. You will anger basically everyone else in the information business. Writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, even a lot of software developers, you name it. These people all depend on copyright enforcement to get paid.
That to me is the worst thing about repeated phrasing of this as some kind of evil special interest groups against everyone else. The "special interests" here are the people who produce the copyright material you want to access. You have to play ball with them or they will simply not be able to produce those things anymore.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
I read about a Github issue [1] where someone reports that all websites a user clicks on to DDG servers. Reading the employee's response was eye opening. They literally do not care if it has a bad look, they just say "we don't collect your personal information." What??? They are literally admitting to collecting domains in the feed of the Github issue but then just copy and paste their manifesto and expect us to thin…
Seems understandable to me. The explanation isn’t just “copy pasting” their privacy policy, either. You are misrepresenting that thread and discussion. They’re not a perfectly secure E2E encrypted zero-trust system. They do require some measure of trust to use. This has always been true. Don’t use them if you don’t trust that they won’t misuse your data.
They're probably not collecting IP addresses or user cookies, but they will undoubtedly have a log of what their users search for, what results were turned, and possibly what clickthroughs happened from their search page. You can do all of that without retaining identifying information for the person who clicked through.
Worst case, if you go back and forth between google search and DDG, a comparative analysis might be able to identify you or people like you from those logs, but it would require some work.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used them nearly exclusively and recommended them to all my friends. Once they started censoring content for political reasons (Ukraine), that ended instantly.
> censoring content for political reasons (Ukraine) what type of content did they censor? Do you have a link with more info?
Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results
#206Core part of the article is at the bottom:
> TorrentFreak reached out to DuckDuckGo to discover why these domain names are not showing up in its search results. At the time of publication, we have yet to hear back. It wouldn’t be a surprise if the move is copyright-related, though.
So there isn't anything else known than "domains are delisted".
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#207Funny how the narrative on DDG has changed. I used to get downvoted to oblivion for merely mentioning they used Bing under the hood. Where are all the people that used to defend them so vigorously? I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same people now hating on them.
> I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same people now hating on them. It seems like those people are still here defending ddg. They are even attacking the blog. Weird. I use ddg as my default search and hope they are "privacy-first" as they claim ( thought I have my doubts ). At this point what other option is there? DDG search is noticably censored since they rely on bing. It's obvious to anyone who uses ddg regular…
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Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results
#208As for the YouTube-DL part specifically, I'm pretty sure that's a side-effect of them being dependent upon Bing for the actual index: https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Ayoutube-dl.org Also, _come on_; if someone gives up after one search term, which also includes advanced site-restricting syntax, there's no way they'd be able to operate youtube-dl anyway: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube-dl&ia=web
They don't rely solely on Bing. If a popular site doesn't appear, it's definitely a conscious decision on their part.
... or the domain list comes from Bing and they additionally feed some of that to their own crawler or...
This seems like an oversimplification of things you don't know.
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#209What is with this blogspam? YouTube-DL comes up just fine in search results ( https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube-dl&t=h_&ia=web ). So does Pirate Bay ( https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pirate+bay&t=h_&ia=web ). The headline is outright false.
Not sure what you mean. Someone on urban dictionary defines blogspam as
> A blog where the author paraphrases or copies from the original article/webpage in an attempt to increase his or her own traffic.
Another person as
> loaded with so much foreign material, it refuses to function properly
Since neither of those fit, I guess you mean it more like a random blog that thw owners 'spam' everywhere such as onto link collectors like HN?
Torrentfreak is quite the opposite of that, if that's what you were accusing them of in the first place. One could say that your comment's "headline is outright false"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TorrentFreak
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#210I'm continually surprised by the amount of attention that HN gives DDG. They have no unique or interesting technology. The "privacy" claims are all self-attestation.