Why are they still pursuing Zero Covid? I know the article includes some speculation on this, but what's the best explanation?
I mean, the US has had a million covid deaths. China presumably doesn't want 3 million deaths?
The silenced deaths of the Shanghai 2022 lockdown
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>China tried to actively cover up the infection in Wuhan. News got out, doctors posted on social media A simple visit to the Wikipedia article on Covid timeline showed that to be false. >video on Reddit showed people dying in the streets. That was literally just a drunk guy falling on street. Covid doesn't just make people drop dead while walking on the street lol. America suffered a million Covid deaths and we have…
> A simple visit to the Wikipedia article on Covid timeline showed that to be false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang "Rumors of a deadly SARS outbreak subsequently spread on Chinese social media platforms; Wuhan police summoned and admonished him on 3 January for "making false comments on the Internet about unconfirmed SARS outbreak."" > That was literally just a drunk guy falling on street. Covid doesn't j…
>Wuhan police summoned and admonished him on 3 January
And? China notified WHO and US CDC about the new virus at the end of December: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pande...
>"making false comments on the Internet about unconfirmed SARS outbreak.""
And he was making false comment. He was an eye doctor and he was telling people in his WeChat group that the original SARS came back.
>Sure. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dea...
Did you not read that article?
"AFP could not determine how the man, who appeared to be aged in his 60s, had died."
The guy literally had a shopping bag in his hand. Wuhan is a city of 10 million people, how many do you think dies from stroke or heart attacks each day?
Or it could be Covid, in which the only known case of making people drop dead while on a shopping trip is somehow captured by this reporter.
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Unfortunately it is difficult to trust anything coming out of the Chinese regime, especially if it has the potential to make them look bad.
It would also be very difficult to cover up the scale of sickness / death if COVID had run as as it has elsewhere.
I don't really trust China's numbers, but I'll agree that they've been much better than the US'. That said, while the Zero COVID policy was generally good and successful until recently, it no longer appears to be working, and efforts to continue it are increasingly harmful.
If they're using the time to rapidly address their bafflingly low vaccination rates, then maybe it will prove worthwhile, but otherwise I don't see how it would be at this point. ("Baffling" because I understand why the US isn't more forceful in pushing the vaccine, but don't understand why China hasn't pushed their own rates to near 100%.)
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China tried to actively cover up the infection in Wuhan. News got out, doctors posted on social media, video on Reddit showed people dying in the streets. China's great at suppressing protests, but informationally they're still porous. If millions of Chinese were dying of COVID, we'd know it. If suppressing information about deaths worked as well as you're asserting, they wouldn't have to publicly lock down Shanghai,…
>China tried to actively cover up the infection in Wuhan. News got out, doctors posted on social media A simple visit to the Wikipedia article on Covid timeline showed that to be false. >video on Reddit showed people dying in the streets. That was literally just a drunk guy falling on street. Covid doesn't just make people drop dead while walking on the street lol. America suffered a million Covid deaths and we have…
> A simple visit to the Wikipedia article on Covid timeline showed that to be false.
It does not?
Re: The silenced deaths of the Shanghai 2022 lockdown
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
>China tried to actively cover up the infection in Wuhan. News got out, doctors posted on social media A simple visit to the Wikipedia article on Covid timeline showed that to be false. >video on Reddit showed people dying in the streets. That was literally just a drunk guy falling on street. Covid doesn't just make people drop dead while walking on the street lol. America suffered a million Covid deaths and we have…
> A simple visit to the Wikipedia article on Covid timeline showed that to be false. It does not?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pande...
Can you point me toward where they tried to hide the outbreak?
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#36Why are they still pursuing Zero Covid? I know the article includes some speculation on this, but what's the best explanation?
I find it fairly amusing that people who believe in the "lableak-hypothesis" seem to usually also be in the camp of people who don't think the virus is too bad. If the virus really came from the lab, then presumably the Chinese know more about its (long term) effects than the rest of us. And looking at the fact, that they have this zero COVID policy, that should absolutely terrify anyone believing in the aforementioned hypothesis.
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#38Why are they still pursuing Zero Covid? I know the article includes some speculation on this, but what's the best explanation?
- lower natural immunity rates because zero COVID had been successful - lower vaccination rates - vaccine drives prioritized the young and healthy (the idea being they can handle side effects so this seemed like the best way to achieve herd immunity) - the newer strains are super infectious and would overwhelm the healthcare system They don't have a good way out now. They should have used the time they got last year…
Also they have a vaccine that may not work.
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#39Why are they still pursuing Zero Covid? I know the article includes some speculation on this, but what's the best explanation?
Maybe China knows more about the real long term effects of the virus because they have been studying it for a long time?