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Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

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I can’t answer your specific question, but I would really encourage you to think more about the AWS offer. Having spent a decade at Amazon, across several organizations, I don’t recommend it as a place to work. There was a NYTimes article about the company in 2015. Everything there still reflects the day to day culture of the company. For me Amazon took an unprecedented toll on my mental and physical health. I did ea…

That fifth paragraph is dark.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

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Or they live in California where non competes are not enforceable.

Does that include non-competes signed before you moved? Could your plan be to quit and move to CA?

The law applies to where you are, not where you were, so IANAL but yes, this would work. However, if you moved purely for this purpose, it might be interpreted as fraud. Also, Amazon may sue you in their home venue (Washington, or perhaps Delaware if they are incorporated there). If someone has access to Lexis Nexis it'd be interesting to see how many such cases Amazon has brought, and what happened.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

#83

I can’t answer your specific question, but I would really encourage you to think more about the AWS offer. Having spent a decade at Amazon, across several organizations, I don’t recommend it as a place to work. There was a NYTimes article about the company in 2015. Everything there still reflects the day to day culture of the company. For me Amazon took an unprecedented toll on my mental and physical health. I did ea…

> Amazons leadership fundamentally does not see their employees as human beings

I'm there right now and this is very true.

It isn't even a hidden truth about working there. In fact, the company has a set of principles [0] that are necessary to adopt and use to justify all decisions you make or feedback you give to others.

And missing from this set of principles? Any mention of the humanity of those you are leading. The only empathy encouraged is for the customer. It's a cold cold place to work.

[0] https://leaders.com/articles/leadership/amazon-leadership-pr...

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

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> [in France] you need to be paid during the non compete period (at least 1/3 of your compensation or something like this) Oh that's interesting. That is the first time I've seen a justifiable contractual consideration on the employer's side for a non-compete.

It’s the same rule as California… you can have a non-compete, but that time has to be paid for separately than your normal wages.

This is probably one of the biggest reasons I'm unlikely to leave the state until other parts of the US make similar determinations. It boggles me that we allow employers to have so much control over an employees life after they have left said organization.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

#85

Who's to say where you work after you leave one employer and go to another?

Everyone who works for a FAANG or big tech company. Non-competes are unfortunately standard everywhere and I don't know of anyone who isn't like a distinguished engineer/luminary in the field (i.e. someone who can set the terms of their hiring) that was able to successfully negotiate one away.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

#86

What would be the downside of banning all non-competes (no exceptions) at the Federal level?

Companies have to increase wages as people job hop to seek better opportunities. Look at the Apple hiring/salary fixing fiasco that got Steve Jobs in hot water about a decade ago--Apple was actively colluding with all the tech companies to agree not to hire or poach employees so their salaries wouldn't rise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Big companies love the free market, except when it means they have to pay more money to employees...

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

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On an AWS team currently, some of our best left to similar'ish google cloud products. No issues there.

The turnover rate is extremely high at Amazon. I don't even consider my non-compete clause when looking at other roles. If you're really worried then don't update your linkedin right away when you leave. After a few months no one will notice.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

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I am genuinely curious -- what _are_ the top-five awful things in your mind?

I think #'s 1 & 2 have to be 1) stack ranking & forced PIPs, and 2) comp policies overall (the stock vesting schedule being part of it, the bonus program covering the first two years being another, and the [until this year] low base salary cap being a third).

The bonus program for the first two years seems like a good/balanced thing for Amazon and the employee (to cover the “missing triangle” of comp while RSU grants begin to stack).

I’m not now and never have been an Amazon employee, but the bonus plan just seems sensible to me.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

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The only time I would ever sign a noncompete like that is if it came with 18 months of severance pay. That's ludicrous.

That sums up non competes in Europe. Usually companies are required to pay 25%-75% of a former employee's salary in order to make a non compete clause enforceable.

Caveat that doesn't (AFAIK) apply in the UK. Here it looks like un-payed non-competes are enforceable but if they're too long/too broad that would likely make them unenforceable.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone successfully renegotiated an AWS non-compete?

#90

Tell HN: anyone with good knowledge about something like this will not tell you on Hacker News. Probably not even in private. Think about it: if you had issues with AWS related to your non-compete, you probably reached some form of agreement or settlement. I'd assume in a large number of these cases, part of the agreement is to not disclose anything about it in public. Take my two cents: talk to a good, really good,…

A note to anyone involved in such litigation: settlement agreements are negotiable! Consider what effect a gag clause will have on your life and ability to communicate freely with others, and consider negotiating it out of the agreement, or putting an expiration date on it. If the other party is contemplating a settlement, you are likely coming from a position of negotiating power: you can always walk and insist on a judgment, which will be more of a hassle for everyone but will not include a gag clause.
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