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Re: Neovim 0.7 Released

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Post by bbkane »

ufo wrote: post #36
gpanders wrote: post #24

I did a brief write up on some of the biggest new features here: https://gpanders.com/blog/whats-new-in-neovim-0-7/

Thanks for summarizing the highlights! The client-server part is the one I'm most excited about. It is one of my favorite things in kakoune and it'll be nice to have it on neovim too. I find it more intuitive to use separate terminal windows with all the usual window manager shortcuts, instead of using vim-specific terminal splits.

Do the kakoune and neovim keyboard shortcuts conflict for you? I've put off trying non-vim modal editors because I think there's only enough room for one set of shortcuts in my head. How difficult is it for you to switch between them?

Re: Neovim 0.7 Released

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Post by rgoulter »

vamega wrote: post #76
totetsu wrote: post #64

Does any one have any advice for running neo vim on a centos host without admin to install it. (Short of hunting down all the source packages for dependencies and compiling)

Install it via nix, or if nix is too big a leap, via conda.

Without admin privileges, it's not trivial to use nix.

Re: Neovim 0.7 Released

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Post by nerdponx »

gpanders wrote: post #24

I did a brief write up on some of the biggest new features here: https://gpanders.com/blog/whats-new-in-neovim-0-7/

This is really helpful, thank you!

Does the new filetype.lua script still run the ftdetect/ scripts? Or will those only be run by the filetype.vim fallback and need to be ported to the new system?

Re: Neovim 0.7 Released

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Post by camgunz »

pdimitar wrote: post #41
ilovecaching wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a weekend of learning for a tool that you use your entire life. Any computer scientist should realize the power of amortization.

I absolutely want to learn VIM but saying it's only a weekend is plain misinformation. We're definitely looking at months of gradually building new habits.

Agree, and I would add that it's not just habits, it's committing to rearchitecting your workflow. Do you use things like debuggers, linters, refactoring tools, project management tools, etc.? Get ready to learn totally different tools (usually)!

I'm a committed (neo)vim user, but I readily admit I only got over the hump because I thought it was cool and hardcore and typing is easy for me. There's no question it's been worth it for me, and I would argue it's probably worth it for most people and better for the software ecosystem as a whole (GUI tools don't compose), but still I think trying to say one's better than the other is too narrow a view.

Re: Neovim 0.7 Released

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Post by canaus »

yw3410 wrote: post #28
sophacles wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both vim and neovim have the ability to open a terminal in a window split. It's not my preferred workflow but some people really like it rather than tmux or ctel-z to drop onto a shell... the implementation of this feature in neovim is a lot nicer than the one in vim. One thing i do use it for: In neovim there's options to open the terminal as a sort of overlay on top of the existing splits, they call it floating ter…

Why wouldn't you set the makeprg and have it populate the quickfix list instead?

It might not be what they want to do.

Re: Neovim 0.7 Released

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Post by bachmeier »

One of the appealing things about Neovim has always been

> MessagePack structured communication enables extensions in any language

Is anyone writing extensions in other languages? Does it work well?

Re: Neovim 0.7 Released

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

Neovim is such a weird derivative utility to me. Derivative/forked software usually isn't very successful to begin with, but then Neovim makes attempts to be modern and it's so not appealing at all. Here are some 5 second examples.

Example 1:

    nvim .
Still uses Netrw, which is fine, but doesn't even attempt to do things like:

    let g:netrw_preview=1
    let g:netrw_banner=0
    let g:netrw_browse_split=4
    let g:netrw_liststyle= 3
    let g:netrw_altv=1
    let g:netrw_winsize=8
So that you get something that remotely resembles a modern text editor's tree view.

Example 2:

    set number
Line numbers are off by default. Why? Why are all of these other configurations on by default? Every editor shows line numbers by default and Neovim doesn't make this 1 line configuration effort to look like everyone else.

Example 3:

    set mouse
Mouse is off by default. Again, why? I get that it's a terminal editor, but if the technology is there to allow me to select text with my mouse, why do we need act like luddites?

After setting up my .vimrc file with sane defaults and a bit of an attempt to use the editor in earnest, my conclusion is that Vim/Neovim is just a bad editor.

I want more from my editors.

Here's a .vimrc file that attempts to make Vim and compatible editors more like Visual Studio Code, Atom, and Sublime Text:

https://github.com/andrewmcwatters/dotfiles/blob/main/.vimrc

And it's still bad.

Re: Neovim 0.7 Released

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Post by xboxnolifes »

lawn wrote: post #77
blowski wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I will never understand why people choose VSCode/Jetbrains over a terminal based editor. I don't want to use my valuable time learning how to get vim working in some super-optimal way that's hypothetically going to improve my productivity by 1%. JetBrains consistently works well enough for me that I'm not going to bother switching. 90% of my life is spent thinking about how to solve the problem so the editor is not…

If you're a lifelong programmer the time it'll take to be proficient in Vim is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. A tool that can last a lifetime and be used for any programming language at that. It's just a trade-off between optimizing for the short-term or the long-term.

> If you're a lifelong programmer the time it'll take to be proficient in Vim is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of thing

I just don't see it? I spent a good 6 months only using vim to see if I could get it to stick. Then I took a year break. After the break I forgot nearly every shortcut I was using minus a select few. I never got to the point of even matching my efficiency in other editors, let alone surpassing them.

6 months alone is already more than what I would consider worth in regards to time spent learning a tool for the little gain I see it bringing over just using intuitive, albeit less efficient, alternatives.

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