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Wikipedia globally blocks Apple Private Relay IP ranges from editing

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Re: Wikipedia globally blocks Apple Private Relay IP ranges from editing

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Where does this end? Like if the end goal is to block every IP that has a bad reputation score, why not go all in and block every Tor exit IP and every popular VPN exit node too? If you're gonna do something, do it right. That said, there's nothing stopping me hacking a residential router to make my (anonymous) Wikipedia edits.

A lot of websites do just that.

Re: Wikipedia globally blocks Apple Private Relay IP ranges from editing

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post #6

Where does this end? Like if the end goal is to block every IP that has a bad reputation score, why not go all in and block every Tor exit IP and every popular VPN exit node too? If you're gonna do something, do it right. That said, there's nothing stopping me hacking a residential router to make my (anonymous) Wikipedia edits.

I think it ends with flipping from default open to default closed. Want to edit Wikipedia? Register and provide your identification.

Re: Wikipedia globally blocks Apple Private Relay IP ranges from editing

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There are malicious editors out there. For example, someone repeatedly edited the Kubernetes page on Wikipedia to make some changes that were not true and contradicted by the reference that was used. This is just one example.

There is a very real problem, even in technical circles, of wrong information being put on there.

In this example, it was always by an anonymous account.

How does the Wikimedia foundation attempt to handle this? I'm not suggesting I have ideas on what to do. But, this is a real debatable question they have to wrestle with.

Re: Wikipedia globally blocks Apple Private Relay IP ranges from editing

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Is the premise over at Wikipedia still that an IP address meaningfully identifies a single editor? I think that ship sailed.

"I cannot stress this enough, and I think it's important to frame this debate correctly when it comes to discussing these blocks. I have made somewhere around 1200 rangeblocks of webhosting providers in the last 5 weeks or so. Not one of them was targeted at a user." — [[User:Blablubbs]] in linked page Wikipedia doesn't block to punish individuals. It blocks to protect itself. There are plenty of ways around most blo…

AFAIK their policy is to block IPs that "obscure individual users". Another commenter quoted:

> Communities typically block edits from IP addresses that obscure individual users.

Surely they are aware that this is basically all IPs nowadays...?

If that's genuinely the policy then it should be almost equivalent to just requiring an account for all edits, so why not just do that?

Re: Wikipedia globally blocks Apple Private Relay IP ranges from editing

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Is the premise over at Wikipedia still that an IP address meaningfully identifies a single editor? I think that ship sailed.

"I cannot stress this enough, and I think it's important to frame this debate correctly when it comes to discussing these blocks. I have made somewhere around 1200 rangeblocks of webhosting providers in the last 5 weeks or so. Not one of them was targeted at a user." — [[User:Blablubbs]] in linked page Wikipedia doesn't block to punish individuals. It blocks to protect itself. There are plenty of ways around most blo…

I find this all vaguely baffling; I'm by no means a WP expert. If they're not targeted at users, what are they targeted at? Bots?
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