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Free peaceful expression should never be a crime, as there is no victim and no one is harmed. Teaching itself is never inherently harmful. Sanctions are authoritarian nonsense.
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US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation
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Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation
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What point are you trying to make? The invasion of Cuba was idiotic, I agree. It has nothing to do with our foreign policy afterwards, which is not subject to rules about fairness.
>which is not subject to rules about fairness. I think this is the point everyone agrees on. You are right that "deserve's got nothing to with it" IT is just obnoxious when most of rhetoric and discussion is about fairness, equality, and high minded ideals when directed outside the US. Might makes right. Given that, coherent discussion on how and when to use that power is best served by dropping the rhetoric. Once yo…
Yes. This is true. We live in a US hegemony, enhanced globally by the fall of the USSR. This situation may change in the future, it may not. When we initially sanctioned Cuba we were primarily able to do so because Cuba geographically exists within the US sphere of influence. Now the entire globe exists within the US sphere of influence.
I don't think my earlier reply to you qualifies as "rhetoric". I was replying to the implication that the US just unilaterally decided to sanction Cuba for no good reason. The US had a good reason, it is pretty obvious what that reason was, and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Cuba's actions resulted in sanctions (and could have resulted in much worse). It is also, frankly irrelevant, that it was precipitated by the US doing something stupid.
Personally, I think we should have dropped the embargo on Cuba a long time ago, probably in the 90s. But that's not the case right now. It certainly wasn't a mystery to anyone why it started though.
Sanctions on Russia and sanctions on North Korea are both not only "might makes right", but fully justified within multiple different deontological frameworks. It is absolutely true that there is realpolitik afoot here, but that does not also preclude the possibility that the outcome is justified and fair.
Honestly, I'd love to hear/read some thoughts as to why dropping sanctions on North Korea would be beneficial to /anyone/ in a real way.
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No joke. Until the invention of cryptocurrency, the ledger of ownership of all the things had to be enforced by a gun. Physical violence to protect property. People would give their lives to enforce a consensus of ownership. We now have a way that doesn’t need guns. It uses mathematics of cryptographic signatures for authentication and integrity, that is verifiable anywhere and without trusted third parties. This is…
You're delusional. At least your username is apt. So. Your premise is flawed. Violence has been a part of humanity for as long as humanity has existed. Your blockchain doesn't solve shit against violence - if a foreign army attacks your country for resources, they can take it, including your crypto, by sheer violence (insert $10 wrench xkcd here). A government doesn't need to print money to finance a war. And even in…
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#554I met him at a summer school a couple of years ago, a remarkable character. He developed WikiScanner, which exposed the "beautification" of U.S. politician's Wikipedia pages, conducted from the White House and other government building's IP addresses, which was creative and in the public interest.
I'm surprised that giving a talk about blockchain and crypto-currencies would be considered that sensitive, as the whole Web is full of (open source) software and instructions how to use Ethereum, the ETH currency and related stuff.
> Griffith: I need to send 1 [REDACTED UNIT OF CRYPTOCURRENCY] between North and South Korea. Other Guy: "Isn't that in violations of sanctions?" Griffith: It is.
Strange: The Virgil Griffith that I met was very smart, not sure if he would have had such an exchange in an unencrypted medium. He came across as an ultra-tech savvy prankster that had also hacked his high school's payment system (he did not say that because he was prevented under court order, so he just quipped "google me").
Here's an EdTech talks he gave 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymGl84RORLQ
Edit: I was wondering about that strange redaction of "[UNIT OF CRYPTOCURRENCY]". Clearly, as he is working on Ethereum, that one has the ETH currency, so likely it was that. Could the unredacted just say "1 ETH" (not a secret)? Then the transfer would have just been symbolic, not actually evading sanctions at scale. On the other hand if he was (allegedly) talking about 1 million ETH or BTC then it would smell more like a serious crime, assuming for a moment that exchange really happened. [BTW, 1 ETH = ~$3,000 versus 1 BTC = $40,000 at the moment, so the unit makes an order of magnitude difference.]
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> there is an underlying valid point that not all warfare requires physical violence. All warfare requires physical violence. If it's not physically violent, “warfare” is being used as a loose metaphor, not a factual description. > We use the term cyber warfare as another example. Cyberwarfare not directed at or effectuating physical destruction of materiel and/or persons is merely metaphorical rather than actual war…
No, sorry. It doesn’t. You can destroy bridges. No violence there. Yet now you can’t feed the troops. That is still a form of warfare.
Sanctions aren’t hindering anyones property, it’s just refusing to do business with your hated enemy.
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>Ukraine has a right to join NATO if they want, without asking uncle Vladimir beforehand by this standard, Cuba has the right to have Russian nukes pointed at Washington DC. But we all know that the US would wipe Cuba off the face of the earth and kill every civilian there before that happened. They are still under sanctions 70 years later for playing that game and assuming they have territorial autonomy.
Why would Ukraine or Finland be any different from the Baltic states with respect to joining NATO?
The Baltic path to joining was also much faster, announced in 1999 and complete in 2004. The Ukrainian membership was announced in 2008 and had a many decade lead time because Ukraine was expected to tackle many internal issues of corruption and human rights first.
A separate factor is size, population, and location. Ukraine is larger and may have a more strategic position to take out planes and nukes heading to central Europe.
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Lol, what. You really read to read my message again and if your takeaway remains the same then good luck fixing your brain.
Why would a prisoner having a bad time in jail be an acceptable outcome? Prisons are not there to punish. Do you believe they are?
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#558Earlier quoted context omitted.
>which is not subject to rules about fairness. I think this is the point everyone agrees on. You are right that "deserve's got nothing to with it" IT is just obnoxious when most of rhetoric and discussion is about fairness, equality, and high minded ideals when directed outside the US. Might makes right. Given that, coherent discussion on how and when to use that power is best served by dropping the rhetoric. Once yo…
> Might makes right. Yes. This is true. We live in a US hegemony, enhanced globally by the fall of the USSR. This situation may change in the future, it may not. When we initially sanctioned Cuba we were primarily able to do so because Cuba geographically exists within the US sphere of influence. Now the entire globe exists within the US sphere of influence. I don't think my earlier reply to you qualifies as "rhetori…
The most obvious benefit would be to the 25 million North Korean people. Lifting of sanctions would allow economic activity alleviating poverty and malnutrition.
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How far down the "flew 8,000 miles to get there, climbed over the barbed wire fence, licked both his thumbs, and pressed them against the shiny parts labeled 'DANGER! 25,000 VOLTS!'..." rabbit-hole-of-stupid should one have to go, before it's 100% okay for me to stop caring whether or not his sentence was just?
He was imprisoned for teaching. You have to construct quite a mental abstraction for that to be a legitimate criminal offense.
You assume teaching is purely positive?
If I teach someone else my company secrets I only 'teached' or did I share company secrets?
If I go to north Korea did I teach the about some technology or did I just helped a country to circumvent sanctions?
You have a very easy perception of right and wrong if you think that's an acceptable excuse.
Very similar to the antivax people in Germany who broke demonstration laws by saying they just walking.
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Dryness and bias are independent of each other. Criminal accusations by the government are assumed to be biased; the legal system is built around that: Innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty, an entirely independent branch of government decides whether its proven, and then that branch relies on 12 civilians. The US Department of Justice has a long history of bias, especially against non-conformi…
Sure. But this is not a "criminal accusation". This is an announcement of the result of the judicial process. A jury convicted this guy, and now a judge sentenced him to 5 years. There are no further accusations being lobbed at him. It is perfectly acceptable to take DoJ's word for what the verdict and sentence were. It is also perfectly acceptable to take their word for what he has been convicted OF. Convictions are…
If you don't know how they can mislead you, it only means you are more vulnerable. We don't know what we don't know. Whole worlds of issues and problems can be easily omitted, for example. Trusting any source as described is a fundamental mistake.
But this is really unnerving:
> Very rarely, that process gets it wrong
Why do you say that? That is not my understanding of the process. Look at all the exonerations from death row, cases that receive the most attention and process. Look at all the abuses of minorities and political outcasts.
> you should be careful of believing 100% anything that involves a DoJ accusation but no indictment
Do you mean, 'indictment but no conviction'? Indictments are easy - the old saying is that a decent prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich.
> Convictions are how we write history. We have now answered the following question: did this guy conspire to violate sanctions? The answer was yes.
That's not how knowledge works; we don't get relief from certainty. What we know is that they were convicted. Many accept, whether true or not, that that process is better than any available alternative; I don't know many people who have as much confidence in its accuracy as you do.