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Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…

> Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe extremists to spread their ideas.

I just don't see the evidence to back this claim up.

Granted, if I really think about it, I am not directly harmed either way. The fact that this is one of our fiercer debates is probably a good sign of our decadence lol

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…

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Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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Just to verify that I understood the concept I looked up the definition of "hostile takeover" from various places, its common theme is taking over a company without approval of the board. The actual offer states [0]: >As a result, I am offering to buy 100% of Twitter for $54.20 per share in cash, a 54% premium over the day before I began investing in Twitter and a 38% premium over the day before my investment was pub…

Agreed. The title should be neutralized to something like “Elon Musk offers to purchase Twitter for $43B”

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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From observing various internet forums, including this one, I noticed that people from the "first world" countries don't know the value of free speech and often take it for granted. Sometimes even coming to such views as "free speech is dangerous" and that "we should limit free speech" (by blocking the views I don't like). Understand this: limits on free speech are far more dangerous to society than allowing fringe e…

Free speech is never 100% free, there are laws against libel, fraud, conspiracy, copyright, trademark, which create crimes that consist only of speech, or civil liability. Courts and parliaments have rules of procedure so it's not, whoever's loudest wins. And then there are social norms.

Slippery slope arguments are a slippery slope to never doing anything to improve anything.

It's always a balance between letting 20% of hateful crazy troll Nazis hijack all rational conversation, on the one hand, and blocking unpopular opinions on the other hand. Even HN moderates a lot.

Same applies to all the rights enumerated in the US Constitution, you have freedom of religion to the extent it doesn't infringe on the other important rights and provisions of the Constitution. Polygamy is banned. If your religion says servitude of women or Black people is God's will, you don't get to practice it. 2nd Amendment however broadly interpreted doesn't let you build a nuclear weapon in your backyard.

Also true, a lot of people want to block legitimate speech they don't want to hear and should be resisted. The first step toward fascism is indeed people not caring about free speech and thinking their personal discomfort is the most important thing, starting with the most powerful. Protesters get arrested and kettled, Colin Kaepernick loses his contracts. You're not going to stop the powerful from trying. It's never 'cancel culture' when state legislatures cancel women, minorities, gay or trans people, it's only 'cancel culture' when those people call out the powerful.

We need free speech, but letting liars and extremists run the public square and destroy all decency isn't the answer either. You need to protect free speech by having reasonable rules and norms.

"Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness." - George Washington

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

#258

Why isn't Elon buying Truth Social? Because it's not the hardware and software that he would be buying it's the equity which is people. Truth Social can have piles of servers and the best software but it can't buy or generate truth.

The power of the megaphone is what's he's buying. Idk what "Truth Social" is, and that's precisely the point: it isn't worth a dime. Musk is buying users by the millions. Attention craving users, but still users.

Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private

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I don't have an opinion over the consequences for politics over this, I'm just excited over the potential shakedown of the social media landscape that I grew to despise. Musk is an activist, can make it or break it. He is absolutely right over its enormous potential, all the problems it has - as a business or ones it creates for the society - can be solved. Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial once yo…

Tell me you've never worked on a team trying to address these issues without telling me you've never worked on a team trying to address these issues.
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