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Why is selling software so weird?

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Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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Can any experienced sale people share any advice on career paths within tech sales?

I am considering a career reboot come June, and sales is one path I am exploring.

Are there certain types of software companies, products, or sales environments that you would recommend with regard to TC, lifestyle, and/or career satisfaction?

Alternatively, red flags to be aware of?

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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For average cost analysis across a portfolio, yes. For marginal cost analysis, the question is “what’s the difference in cost between n and n+1 units?” Whether other streams succeed, fail, or don’t exist doesn’t change the cost to make the n+1 unit.

That's technically accurate, but the justification for the existence of this team and product (and their real cost base) cannot be predicated solely on the n+1 cost calculation. Suppose the other revenue streams do fail, now without this specific team and product the data set generation and maintenance would be completely uneconomic. In that situation the N+1 calculation will tell you to maintain the team and product…

A critical part of any non-trivial business situation is understanding what question to ask for what reason.

When deciding “should we make the incremental effort to expose an already existing dataset as a new product?” you are quite reasonably going to look at different data than if you want to know “overall, how profitable were our data products in aggregate last year?”

That’s the main point of the article we’re discussing: how things get weird when marginal costs are very close to zero.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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Identifying an unmet need, getting a market fit for a solution, understanding what people are willing to pay are all counter-intuitive for engineers, but essential to make money.

These are my recommendations to anyone who's here and not getting the traction they want, or are considering starting a business. The 1-Page Marketing Plan - Alan Dibb. The Right It - Alberto Savoia. Monetizing Innovation - Georg Tacke & Madhavan Ramanujam. Obviously Awesome - April Dunford

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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How is that different from music, TV, movies. Is entertainment a real thing? What about education, is that a tangible commodity? That's the kind of thinking that lead Marx to his theory of value, and his belief in the parasitic nature of all economic activities except for making physical things.

Concerts and plays are a real things that happen in the real world. So is teaching. They don't exist in a virtual space where everything is duplicable ad infinitum and where the next machine is just as capable as the first. Do you pay for music and movies on the internet? I don't, and most people do not directly. They go through platforms because otherwise people just avoid paying for them. Copyright and the Internet…

Music is absolutely duplicable ad infinitum exactly in the same way as software. I really don't see a material difference between recording an album in a recording studio and writing a program at a desk, or writing a book for that matter. Amazon makes good money selling books digitally. In fact I could even argue that an MP3 file and an eBook or any digital content are forms of software you run on an interpreter.

As for the value in software, I used to work for a software vendor that developed planning software for cellular radio networks. It would load up effectively an image file of terrain data, with each 'pixel' representing a square of terrain giving a height, then there was a database of cell site locations, antenna heights and orientations, etc and it would generate maps of signal strength, interference, etc. Really cool stuff. A lot of the value in that software came from experience, expertise and real-world testing and validation by radio engineers.

A lot of high value software encapsulates a lot of expertise by people other than the programmers. Now I'm in finance, but the software we work with gets huge amounts of input into it's design and specifications and validation from the users and customers who put in a massive investment of time and energy and expertise to ensure the software is fit for purpose. That work absolutely adds value, without it the software couldn't exist or have any value.

The idea that software is some miraculous exception to economic reality is a mirage. Free software purists discount all of that, which is why libre software is irrelevant in so many product categories. All of that input, beyond just programming, has to be paid for somehow and the fact is commercial software is capable of rallying the investment necessary to pay for all of that and create useful products.

The libre movement also completely misunderstands the nature of rights. In principle yes the owner of a computer has the right to determine what software runs on it and how it executes, but equally we routinely give up our rights or accept restrictions on them in return for benefits all the time. When Stallman goes to work in return for being paid he gives up his right to stay at home with his family or go to a bar with his friends. He gives up the right to be intoxicated. In theory he has free speech rights to say whatever he likes, but certain forms of speech in a work place that would otherwise be protected speech will get you fired or prosecuted. Why should we not choose to give up some of our rights over our computers in the same way? Very few rights are absolute like that (not none, but very few), because we can reasonably choose to accept limits on them.

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Eric S raymond had a different way to explain this: Software is largely a service industry operating under the persistent but unfounded delusion that it is a manufacturing industry

It used to be manufacturing, back when you'd ship a cardboard box to a store once a year. I think the delusion we have today is that the internet-enabled model is somehow superior. It just seems to introduce more problems, and forces companies to expend a much greater amount of money, effort, and maintenance to get the same result consistently.

I feel like the next great revolution will be selling updated software only once a year. No privacy implications, no persistent security concerns, no data hoarding, no advertising, no connectivity issues, no addictive social gamification or micro-payment or subscription service. Just a fully-functioning rock-solid program on your local device, developed by a small team, sold to millions of people. I'd pay premium for that!

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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> Low volume software is not a good business to be in. I disagree very strongly with this based on my experience so far. Being in the business of low volume software is fantastic if your customers are other businesses . The advantages of low-volume/complex B2B software biz are incredible to me. Contract terms are measured in half-decades. Your users can actually be trained and held accountable in many cases. You don'…

Nice to hear there are more people out there doing this :)

I'm currently developing a very specialized desktop application for a laboratory and it has been an amazing experience. Working closely together with your users means you get to prioritize what really matters and that you can clearly see the effect of your software in people's lives (in this case, at least 5x increase in productivity and a more healthy distribution of work). I especially enjoy demo time, because I see the enthusiasm in the faces of my customers. It can be tough, though, establishing your reputation at the beginning.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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Can you elaborate on where and how that was tried? Seems very interesting.

All of Eastern Europe pre-1989, and most of the same countries for few years post-1989, until they realized this is going nowhere and privatized.

not only eastern europe.

here in Austria we had several companies that were state owned. Problem was, that then there is politics coming into play and hiring is not about business facts but politics.

This resulted in highly inefficient companies as the objectives did not align any more...

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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Eric S raymond had a different way to explain this: Software is largely a service industry operating under the persistent but unfounded delusion that it is a manufacturing industry

It used to be manufacturing, back when you'd ship a cardboard box to a store once a year. I think the delusion we have today is that the internet-enabled model is somehow superior. It just seems to introduce more problems, and forces companies to expend a much greater amount of money, effort, and maintenance to get the same result consistently. I feel like the next great revolution will be selling updated software on…

My first product in 1987 sold in boxes, with floppies that had to be duplicated and a manual printed, plus shipping to distributors and mail order companies. If we were lucky we got paid 180 days later assuming they were sold, otherwise we had to pay to get the unsold inventory back. A later product with a larger audience cost $10 just to send an update, and that had very little profit, since it required all the same manufacturing costs. I never did that again.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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Eric S raymond had a different way to explain this: Software is largely a service industry operating under the persistent but unfounded delusion that it is a manufacturing industry

It used to be manufacturing, back when you'd ship a cardboard box to a store once a year. I think the delusion we have today is that the internet-enabled model is somehow superior. It just seems to introduce more problems, and forces companies to expend a much greater amount of money, effort, and maintenance to get the same result consistently. I feel like the next great revolution will be selling updated software on…

That’s basically how IntelliJ (and the other JetBrain IDEs) work. They market it as a subscription, but after you’ve been subscribed for a year you get an key that lasts forever for the version that you initially subscribed to. Subscription years after the first (so basically, choosing to upgrade from the initial version) are cheaper than the first year.

It would be nice if they chose to have an option to just buy a version outright without the appearance of a subscription, but I understand why they don’t.

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