Ooooh, maybe this is what the
> "There will be distractions ahead ... let's tune out the noise and stay focused on the work and what we're building"
from the other day (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30984215) meant...
Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
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Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#52I don't have an opinion over the consequences for politics over this, I'm just excited over the potential shakedown of the social media landscape that I grew to despise. Musk is an activist, can make it or break it. He is absolutely right over its enormous potential, all the problems it has - as a business or ones it creates for the society - can be solved. Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial once yo…
Free speech absolutism and "ensure that someone is not gaming the system" are opposites. Having multiple accounts isn't the only way to game the system. There are plenty of trolls out there and they are creative.
Once you are large enough to attract some trolls, if you don't have good moderation, comment quality goes to hell, and users care about that. Running a large social media site isn't kind to people who aren't willing to do what works for ideological reasons. You are fighting the trolls with a deliberate handicap and they will absolutely take advantage. So are you going to ban people who are disruptive or not?
TikTok is heavily moderated. That's why they became popular - the moderation was better than the competition.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#53I don't have an opinion over the consequences for politics over this, I'm just excited over the potential shakedown of the social media landscape that I grew to despise. Musk is an activist, can make it or break it. He is absolutely right over its enormous potential, all the problems it has - as a business or ones it creates for the society - can be solved. Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial once yo…
> Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial once you ensure that someone is not gaming the system, i.e. someone pretending to be more than one person
You can have free speech absolutism or controls to stop gaming the system. Pick one.
After that it becomes a debate over which controls to have, and the argument that multiple accounts is worse than incitement to racial hatred or antivax nonsense isn't a clear cut one.
A lot of the "free speech" complaints about social media amount to complaints about social media platforms adding content warnings about [alleged] sensational lies or penalising their reputation anyway.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#54I’ve been very unhappy with my Twitter use because it has an addiction pattern. I set a short screen time limit on my phone, but I keep breaking it. Yet browsing the feed generally makes me feel sad and anxious.
This news may be what I needed to delete my account.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#55I don't have an opinion over the consequences for politics over this, I'm just excited over the potential shakedown of the social media landscape that I grew to despise. Musk is an activist, can make it or break it. He is absolutely right over its enormous potential, all the problems it has - as a business or ones it creates for the society - can be solved. Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial once yo…
Free speech absolutism is a choice that does not promote the open discussion of ideas. It is a choice that promotes the loudest and nastiest voices and pushes out everyone else.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#56Good. Twitter is a hate factory. And it is failing as a business. A shake up is overdue.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#57the things Musk says about twitter in the press release, dont seem to be necessarily true - that twitter has some unique social utility, or a great deal more value that is not being maximized. I guess reality distortion fields work, but people are wise to twitter, and what it is and isnt good for. and any changes or enhancements that make it worth 70 per share once more are likely to be more about new engagement models like 10 second videos or something, not crossing some imaginary line of maximal free speech. I dont know.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#58> Free speech absolutism is possible and is beneficial
I don't think we have evidence to support this. Pursuant to the last major thread on the topic, I was thinking further about it, and realized that the vast majority of progress civilization has made has been under conditions much more regulated in terms of which ideas may propagate. We've never had a situation where fake news can and does spread the way it does today, where authorities are being undermined like this and casually dismissed by people with no knowledge of the respective fields, etc.
The notion that all speech should be allowed actually seems stupid to me on its face, the more that I consider it.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#59I don't think on Twitter we should be 'free speech absolutists'. Its a private company, no need for lots of people. What I would actually like is seriously shooting down these idiotic bots. Like seriously, they have the exact same name and picture as the main account. How the fuck do we not have machine learning, fuck a bunch of bash-scripts to figure this out? It makes the platform borderline unusable how much crypt…
The bots are necessary for the quarterly user counts to look good during the shareholder report.
Once they've finished pretending the bot accounts have ad-watching eyeballs, they follow up a couple months later with a token crackdown of some small amount of them.
Re: Elon Musk makes $43B unsolicited bid to take Twitter private
#60Deleted my 3 twitter profiles last week when this started going down.
I feel incredibly healthier mentally.
You should try it.