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Why is selling software so weird?

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Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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So yeah, software is different to houses. Software needs huge [1] upfront spend in time and/or money. This means risk, and high risk comes with potential high reward. By contrast building houses, even at scale, is pretty low risk, but since its low risk the upside is constrained. In many ways software is a lot more like making movies. You have to do the whole thing before you see any revenue. Risk is high, most lose…

Thanks for sharing.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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Good article. This bit is interesting:

The third downside is that, unless you can differentiate your product from what already exists, it’s going to be hard to find a foothold in the market. Given how many software products already exist, that’s a high hurdle to clear.

It seems to me that, in any particular domain where there are several or many competing solutions, each with small differentiations, each differentiation takes on a disproportionate amount of significance. So it is possible to make a business out of fairly small differentiations from normal. Eg, through integrating with external systems or better UX for common tasks. And even better, it is often the competitors that have done the work for you deciding which external systems need integrating and what the common tasks are.

Where the diffs are the USPs for all your competitors, it almost makes it easier for you to join in.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

#34
post #11

While all of this is mostly true, this problem isn't unique to software by a mile. The model of high fixed cost, low marginal cost applies to pretty much every consumer good or service sold in the industrial age. If you think publishing the first copy of a piece of software is hard, try setting up a new production line in a factory, or opening a restaurant, or producing a music album or movie. Yes it is hard to break…

Software still has the lowest marginal cost - the distribution cost is basically 0, unlike things like CDs. And unlike a movie or album, the value that can be extracted via software is much higher. There's tons of make-once sell-lots products, but you need factories and supply chains and all that crap, not just a cat6 connection. If you want to serve more customers, you need to buy more CDs. Streaming is better for c…

Digital distribution is cheap-er but definitely not free. I worked at and delivering HD or 4K video around the world at scale is extraordinarily expensive. Plus the sheer amount of engineering resources required to run such a thing is on another level than stamping out plastic discs.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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post #33

Good article. This bit is interesting: The third downside is that, unless you can differentiate your product from what already exists, it’s going to be hard to find a foothold in the market. Given how many software products already exist, that’s a high hurdle to clear. It seems to me that, in any particular domain where there are several or many competing solutions, each with small differentiations, each differentiat…

Also, most people should let go of the silicon Valley or US mindset that success means 'a significant portion of your target market'. We do not all have to or want to be billion$ company founders or grow fast or have many employees; it is fine running a small SaaS that gives you 500k-1m revenue/year and you run on your own. Maybe not in the US (I know too little about the Healthcare and litigation parts), but in the EU, you can live and retire as a king with those numbers (provided you don't do things that are too stupid along the way).

With such a company, you do not need much to differentiate to get 1000+ paying clients: you just probably will never get to millions of clients, and that is OK.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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post #16

I'm running into a weird paradox when it comes to marketing - providing a service more cheaply than your competitors doesn't make it easier to reach customers, it makes it harder. It is a meritocracy of sorts, but one optimizing the value extracted FROM customers, not the value provided TO customers. By having thinner margins, you are also able to pay less to have others promote your product, and that's what the digi…

You’re right that cheaper services could affect customer outreach budgets and it does limit your options on what you can do (I.e. incentivized channels) but it also forces you to focus on other channels that suit your budget (I.e. content marketing, building relationships in forums, etc.) Also, price may not necessarily have to be fixed for all customer segments, you can use pricing as a strategy lever.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software still has the lowest marginal cost - the distribution cost is basically 0, unlike things like CDs. And unlike a movie or album, the value that can be extracted via software is much higher. There's tons of make-once sell-lots products, but you need factories and supply chains and all that crap, not just a cat6 connection. If you want to serve more customers, you need to buy more CDs. Streaming is better for c…

> Software still has the lowest marginal cost... I invite you to switch sectors to the pharma world. I worked on a program for a drug planned to be sold at $2,000/dose with a projected cost of $0.0025/dose. That figure included amortization for all the manufacturing equipment, QC etc and raw materials.

Having friends in pharma too, I never hear anything about the commercial end that I don't find disgusting. I get that like any business the goal is maximizing wealth, but feeling empathy for the "customer" makes the margins and decisions seem sickening.

Honestly, the idealist in me says healthcare/pharma/research should be publicly owned and operated.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

#38

Eric S raymond had a different way to explain this: Software is largely a service industry operating under the persistent but unfounded delusion that it is a manufacturing industry

Simply having customers incurs costs in support. The more customers you have the more different hardware and OS patch and ancillary software configurations your app is running on, the more uses your app it put to, the more problematic edge cases in the UI and functionality and bugs will be encountered, the more feature requests you will get, the higher the chance that old versions of your app will be in use for longer.

Eric's exactly right, you're providing a service and service costs scale up with users. Not all of them linearly, but some for sure.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

#39
I'd predicate the answer to this question on a much more materialistic basis than the author : it's weird to sell software because it's doesn't really exist. I mean, it's barely tangible.

You can copy it indefinitely. It doesn't exist physically. It's much more natural really to buy, say, a painting or a house. You can hang it, see it, use it. You have exactly one house, exactly one of this painting. Software, compared to that, just feel lazy.

One could argue that most software in history did not really improve anything, and that true innovation came from advancements in hardware, which software just took time to adapt to.

Re: Why is selling software so weird?

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Software still has the lowest marginal cost... I invite you to switch sectors to the pharma world. I worked on a program for a drug planned to be sold at $2,000/dose with a projected cost of $0.0025/dose. That figure included amortization for all the manufacturing equipment, QC etc and raw materials.

Having friends in pharma too, I never hear anything about the commercial end that I don't find disgusting. I get that like any business the goal is maximizing wealth, but feeling empathy for the "customer" makes the margins and decisions seem sickening. Honestly, the idealist in me says healthcare/pharma/research should be publicly owned and operated.

We tried that in Europe and it was really the worst thing that can happen. Public funding is a good idea, public ownership is a really bad one. Even the German healthcare system is a combined system of public funding of privately owned healthcare providers.

The biggest problem of pharma is IMHO lack of competition. The field is over regulated - some of it is for good reasons, but perhaps it went too far.

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