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Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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So you agree the DTCC doesn't know how to manage their collateral requirements? It's one of their primary reasons for existing. It seems like something they should've been able to foresee or handle, rather than force brokerages into PCO when they already lost control of the situation. It's really akin to the LME trade halt fiasco, which then became even worse when they retroactively reversed trades. The point is, whe…

They know full well how to handle their collateral requirements; that's exactly what they did! The idea that they "lost control" of the situation is pretty wild; how would they have exerted control over it? GME went nuclear in a day, and nobody a week before then would have told you it was going to happen the way it did. Should they require near 100% collateral from brokers on every trade, and everything that comes a…

This is absurd. If you make a bet that you're unable to honor which forces you to shut down the market, you've lost control. If they can't account for this then they can't account for the trades they're supposed to honor.

Yes, it's literally their job to account for situations like this. They failed. Pointing out how insane the situation was only points out how poorly they predicted what might happen with private information they still haven't shared publicly. If they can't account for the bets placed then we don't have functioning markets. They knew what the short interest was, they knew what the options chain was, they have data about trades the public can't even see. There were multiple traders pointing towards a potential short squeeze in GME going back well into 2020, so if they could see it why the fuck couldn't the DTCC?

Your stance is "their job was hard therefore it's not their fault." That's quite frankly batshit insane when we're talking about the stock market which is an enormous functioning part of our economy. Yeah man, I'm concerned they don't know what the fuck they're doing because they've already proven they don't. If they didn't care they wouldn't have changed the collateral requirements - you're contradicting reality with your argument.

You can have the last word, I'm not going to respond any further.

Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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"Crypto fans" never wanted centralized exchanges dominating the entire space. Cryptocurrency was invented to put an end to banks, not to create new unregulated pseudo-banks that are even worse than the previous system. You think we're not aware of the fact that exchanges have access to vast amounts of market information? They can literally bet against their own users on futures if they want. We want deregulation when…

From my experience in cryptoverse, you and all the idealists who still think like this are in the minority, completely swamped by all the people who don't care which way it goes so long as they get filthy rich

Another “minority” checking in.

Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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They know full well how to handle their collateral requirements; that's exactly what they did! The idea that they "lost control" of the situation is pretty wild; how would they have exerted control over it? GME went nuclear in a day, and nobody a week before then would have told you it was going to happen the way it did. Should they require near 100% collateral from brokers on every trade, and everything that comes a…

This is absurd. If you make a bet that you're unable to honor which forces you to shut down the market, you've lost control. If they can't account for this then they can't account for the trades they're supposed to honor. Yes, it's literally their job to account for situations like this. They failed. Pointing out how insane the situation was only points out how poorly they predicted what might happen with private inf…

I'll go ahead and have my last word:

- A clearinghouse cannot halt a market

- A clearinghouse's job is to ensure that trades settle, which requires adjusting collateral, which is exactly what they did

- A clearinghouse does not honor a trade, the buyer and seller (via their brokerage) do; if there's an increased risk of the trade not being honored, the clearinghouse raises collateral requirements

- DTCC controlled the situation the best they could from their end by raising collateral requirements, which is basically all they can do

- A market can be functioning perfectly fine even if clearinghouse collateral is at 100%

- A clearinghouse doesn't definitionally know what the outstanding short interest is; short positions are on broker's books and it is the broker that reports that data to FINRA, not the clearinghouse

- A clearinghouse preemptively "dealing with" with all outstanding options positions (or any position, for that matter) that they (there is not just one clearinghouse) know about boils down to collecting 100% collateral

- The OCC clears options, the DTCC (by way of the NSCC) clears equity; the data that the DTCC has regarding options is presumably very limited

- A clearinghouse is not going to require 100% collateral because somebody on the internet believes there's going to be a short squeeze

- I don't exactly know what you think you think they "don't care" about, but if you're implying that a clearinghouse requiring high collateral to deal with brokers not being able to make good on a trade because of activity on that broker's books is somehow rigging the market, you've completely lost the plot

I think you misunderstand what a clearinghouse does.

Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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I agree that markets are not natural and don't happen magically without human oversight and rules. But generally we want those systems to increase participation in the market. The criteria of net worth as a obstacle to market participation seems pretty indefensible here. It is hard for someone to commit to changing their net worth in the same way that a company can decide to become public, or that a wealthy person ca…

>> I would support some rule like “you must have either this net worth or prove that you are knowledgeable about investment in some way” This is the accredited investor rule. You qualify as an accredited investor through income, net worth, or having a current Series 7/65/82 license.

Thank you for pointing this out, I had no idea!

Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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post #318

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Insider trading makes someone richer at the expense of others, it's a form of fraud. I don't think it necessarily affects the market significantly otherwise, except by introducing more irrationality and lack of trust, if not regulated against.

How is insider trading a form of fraud? Insider trading can certainly be fraud, but you’ll have to further explain why this would be an inherent property of insider trading. >Insider trading makes someone richer at the expense of others This just shows that your understanding of markets is at elementary school level. How exactly does insider trading cost anybody else money? It simply allows for more accurate pricing.…

> How is insider trading a form of fraud?

It is a type of fraud because the insider is selling you a stock at a price they know is wrong (or buying it from you). They are hiding from you information that they know would affect your decision to trade.

Further, imagine that I as a CEO (or more realistically, executive team) buy a short contract on my own company's shares (through intermediaries, so people don't find out I did it), and then intentionally tank the company to force the stock price to go down at a later date. Wouldn't this be extremely similar to insurance fraud?

> If I own shares of company $x and an insider sells their shares of $x causing the stock to plummet, I do not lose anything. I still own those stocks, they’re just valued more accurately.

Again, you're assuming that the insider would trade at the new price. This is a completely unfounded assumption.

If I'm an insider and know that a company whose shares are currently worth 100$ will announce 0 revenue two months from now, I will sell my shares at 100$ to someone who still believes the company is doing ok. Depending on how big of an insider I am, I will have to do this carefully so as to keep up the ruse as long as possible - hopefully all the way to the announcement, when the stocks will plummet to 10$, and all the dupes who I got to pay me 100$ will be left holding the bag.

Now of course, if all insiders start trading away their stock, the price will start dropping, so maybe they won't be able to sell all their shares at 100$, maybe the price will settle at 90$ or 80$ or even lower. But if the market has been told the company is doing well in terms of sales (even though the insiders know its not) they will not allow the price to drop as low as it should.

Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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post #318

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How is insider trading a form of fraud? Insider trading can certainly be fraud, but you’ll have to further explain why this would be an inherent property of insider trading. >Insider trading makes someone richer at the expense of others This just shows that your understanding of markets is at elementary school level. How exactly does insider trading cost anybody else money? It simply allows for more accurate pricing.…

> How is insider trading a form of fraud? It is a type of fraud because the insider is selling you a stock at a price they know is wrong (or buying it from you). They are hiding from you information that they know would affect your decision to trade. Further, imagine that I as a CEO (or more realistically, executive team) buy a short contract on my own company's shares (through intermediaries, so people don't find ou…

> It is a type of fraud because the insider is selling you a stock at a price they know is wrong (or buying it from you). They are hiding from you information that they know would affect your decision to trade

So it would also be fraud if I sold a stock because I happened to overhear the executives of a company in a restaurant discussing some Very Bad thing that was about to happen to the company?

In reality this simply isn’t fraud. The stock is just worth different amounts to different people with different knowledge.

> Further, imagine that I as a CEO (or more realistically, executive team) buy a short contract on my own company's shares (through intermediaries, so people don't find out I did it), and then intentionally tank the company to force the stock price to go down at a later date. Wouldn't this be extremely similar to insurance fraud

This is obviously illegal regardless of the existence of “insider trading”.

Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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I think Coinbase does fractional banking, I don't have any proof so not completely sure but you can judge yourself, this happened a few months ago: - nuCypher just randomly started going up on Binance - the price was still low on coinbase - the normal thing to do was to withdraw from coinbase and sell on binance "Oops withdrawal of nucypher is temporarily locked", it stayed locked for 8 hours, all the crypto subs on…

The above is not an indication of fractional reserve. Likely explanation: Customer funds are divided between hot/cold wallets where only a fraction is immediately available for withdrawal, and a separate process (at most exchanges involving manual approval, not sure about Coinbase) is required to move top it up with funds from cold storage. It's a security thing to limit impact of hacks etc.

If you need assets to be immediately available to make on-chain transactions, you should not keep them under custody of centralized exchanges - they can and will delay withdrawals for a variety of reasons and most of them (including CB) do make this clear in ToS.

Now with Travel Rule regulation coming in (CB already started enforcing this in some countries but it will become mostly global over time), you need to specify name and physical address of recipient when withdrawing and this can be subject to manual checks as well, so withdrawals being delayed will become the norm IMO.

Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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I think this is the expected cycle of business long term. 1. Entrepreneur notices an opportunity to avoid overzealous regulations and provide better value to customers 2. Everyone wants a piece of the action, bad actors start to move in and updated regulation is required 3. New regulations get out of hand and start to become extremely costly to comply with (see banks) 4. New entrepreneur comes along with a novel way…

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's probably good to stop strangling the economy for a bit once bad actors disappear. Moreover, in many cases the regulators themselves are corrupt (e.g., regulators exempting lenders from regulation leading up to the 2008 housing crash), so the regulation may not be delivering the intended value and taking another swing at it in a decade may not be the worst thing. Further still,…

> e.g., regulators exempting lenders from regulation leading up to the 2008 housing crash

Congress changed the regulations, not the regulators.

I really have no idea what examples you're thinking of.

Re: Insider Trading at Coinbase

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They know full well how to handle their collateral requirements; that's exactly what they did! The idea that they "lost control" of the situation is pretty wild; how would they have exerted control over it? GME went nuclear in a day, and nobody a week before then would have told you it was going to happen the way it did. Should they require near 100% collateral from brokers on every trade, and everything that comes a…

This is absurd. If you make a bet that you're unable to honor which forces you to shut down the market, you've lost control. If they can't account for this then they can't account for the trades they're supposed to honor. Yes, it's literally their job to account for situations like this. They failed. Pointing out how insane the situation was only points out how poorly they predicted what might happen with private inf…

you should learn from the seabird, instead of railing against stuff you dont understand.
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