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Re: Human brain compresses working memories into low-res ‘summaries’

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Post by nh23423fefe » Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 3:35 PM UTC

loa_in_ wrote: post #287

nh23423fefe wrote: post #59

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I think the simulation aspects of conscious and intelligence are fundamental. We don't simulate the world, we simulate what we might experience.

I don't think it's true. I can imagine a lot of aspects of systems around me I cannot possibly experience in any way, except maybe them leading to some outcome that I might experience as well. I sometimes do verify this experimentally, but that comes later.

I don't see how you are disagreeing with me?

GP said something about compression being a component of intelligence, parent said also brains simulate, then I said yeah i agree, and believe that the content of the simulation is the experience itself, whereas people often think there are 2 things, themselves and the world. I don't believe that at all. There is only one thing happening, the experience you are having now.

I can't follow what you are trying to say.

Re: Human brain compresses working memories into low-res ‘summaries’

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Post by whatshisface » Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 6:02 PM UTC

jameshart wrote: post #313

whatshisface wrote: post #271

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There are actually a lot of well-defined things beyond the power of a Turing machine (for example a Turing machine plus a halting oracle that only works on Turing machines without a halting oracle) but in terms of finite amounts of electrons doing normal low-energy electronic stuff you are quite likely correct. Humanity may go beyond computability if as some papers have suggested quantum gravity requires solving unco…

Do you believe human brains contain a halting oracle? Or the moral equivalent of one - something that enables our brains to accomplish some non computable reasoning task?

No, they probably don't.

Re: Human brain compresses working memories into low-res ‘summaries’

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Post by dudeman13 » Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 6:25 PM UTC

fleddr wrote: post #220

pc86 wrote: post #190

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I know this is a joke but it seems unnecessary. Most people actually do use evidence and logic to arrive at their opinions. The problem is some people are presented with incorrect or fabricated evidence. Some people draw incorrect conclusions, or maybe some of the evidence is above their head so they ignore that when it's vital to proper understanding. Some people aren't particularly good at logical thinking, or neve…

"Most people actually do use evidence and logic to arrive at their opinions." They do not. The brain is a machine of lies designed to keep you alive, rather than arrive at some pure truth. The vast majority of your brain power is subconscious. Your brain is extremely good at arriving what it needs to know, not at knowing or truthfulness in general. It takes an incredible effort in critical thinking (which does not co…

I have a feeling if OP had read some of the papers surrounding Daniel Kahneman (and the works Kahneman cited) he wouldn't be so sure about mankind's rationality.

It's like the vast majority of experiments on the subject ends up with "and then they proceeded to use their intuition and who they like more to make their decision".

Also, I think it was "Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student" that also said that logical arguments are the weakest kind of rhetorical arguments since basically anything else is more likely to convince people.