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Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

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Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

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The trick to getting the best out of camera phones is to shore up their weaknesses with external devices. Cell phone cameras are multiple stops slower than "real" cameras (i.e. they take in 1/4 to 1/8th as much light). So you add light to the scene to shore up that weakness. Most of these pictures were probably lit very carefully with high quality lights, or else were taken in bright daylight, and the phone was proba…

All Macro photography requires extra light, it's not just anything to do specific to cell phones. That's why there are so many flash rigs designed for this. Also, the iPhone 13 camera has ridiculously fast lenses[0]: Pro 12MP camera system: Telephoto, Wide, and Ultra Wide cameras Telephoto: ƒ/2.8 aperture Wide: ƒ/1.5 aperture Ultra Wide: ƒ/1.8 aperture and 120° field of view If you search for lenses for "real" camera…

Stepping past the arrogance for a second, there’s more to macro photography than f#. A big factor is the working distance to the object. Not only is this important for skittish live subjects, it’s also important for static subjects for the practical reason that the extra distance provides space for proper lighting equipment. A good used Nikon macro lens can be had for less than a grand and a DX SLR body for less than $300. That’s cheaper than the price I paid for my iPhone 13 Pro, which has proven a bit of a disappointment for macro work.

Further, the wider open the lens, the more shallow the depth of field, which is already quite shallow in macro work. Having the space for proper lighting can allow one to stop the lens down and capture more parts of the image in focus. F# is a secondary consideration as macro often works best at f/8 or f/11.

Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

#92

The trick to getting the best out of camera phones is to shore up their weaknesses with external devices. Cell phone cameras are multiple stops slower than "real" cameras (i.e. they take in 1/4 to 1/8th as much light). So you add light to the scene to shore up that weakness. Most of these pictures were probably lit very carefully with high quality lights, or else were taken in bright daylight, and the phone was proba…

my Iphone 13 Pro has very (very) impressive low light performance.

Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

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ƒ stops need to be adjusted for sensor size [0]. The iPhone 13 Pro cameras all have and equivalent f stop > ƒ/8 [1] [0] https://photographylife.com/equivalence-also-includes-apertu... [1] https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6780391159/all-apple-iphon...

stops only need to be adjusted for total photons gathered, not for photons per unit square

Yes, and a much smaller sensor will of course gather much less light.

Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

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> But you'd probably have an easier time of it on a five year old aps-c camera with a macro lens, to say nothing of modern cameras. That's probably true but as a casual hobbyist, it's so much easier to justify spending $1k on a phone and a few hundred on apps than getting buying a legit macro camera setup, especially used camera equipment. I was frustrated by the macro limitations of the iPhone 13 pro and started per…

I don't know what your budget is, but it is not that expensive to get into a "real" macro setup, at least compared to the cost of a new phone. Try this on for size: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1485795-REG/7artisans... https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=a6100&_sacat=... https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1059024-REG/manfrotto... https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1459178-REG/viltrox_v...…

Compact cameras (under $500) usually have great macro lenses too, though you miss the flexibility of being able to change the lens. I've owned for quite a while a Micro Four Thirds camera from Olympus and that's a very good spot to be a hobbyist: not too expensive, but can do "pro things" like changing lenses, shoots raw, has a horseshoe socket, etc. Of course, the quality is not the same as a full frame camera, but then again, I'm not a pro :)

Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

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I think OP will live.

When given the choice, choose compassion.

I think the reply was plenty respectful, and the whining to the contrary is just a veiled attempt to derail the conversation.

Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

#96

The trick to getting the best out of camera phones is to shore up their weaknesses with external devices. Cell phone cameras are multiple stops slower than "real" cameras (i.e. they take in 1/4 to 1/8th as much light). So you add light to the scene to shore up that weakness. Most of these pictures were probably lit very carefully with high quality lights, or else were taken in bright daylight, and the phone was proba…

All Macro photography requires extra light, it's not just anything to do specific to cell phones. That's why there are so many flash rigs designed for this. Also, the iPhone 13 camera has ridiculously fast lenses[0]: Pro 12MP camera system: Telephoto, Wide, and Ultra Wide cameras Telephoto: ƒ/2.8 aperture Wide: ƒ/1.5 aperture Ultra Wide: ƒ/1.8 aperture and 120° field of view If you search for lenses for "real" camera…

Lenses aren’t that expensive, especially not prime lenses. You get a very decent Canon brand 50mm f/1.8 for $125 new. So you could easily get each of these lenses in the lower hundreds.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/SLR-Camera-Lenses/ci/274/...

Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

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The trick to getting the best out of camera phones is to shore up their weaknesses with external devices. Cell phone cameras are multiple stops slower than "real" cameras (i.e. they take in 1/4 to 1/8th as much light). So you add light to the scene to shore up that weakness. Most of these pictures were probably lit very carefully with high quality lights, or else were taken in bright daylight, and the phone was proba…

> It's pretty cool that you can get such nice results from a phone. But you'd probably have an easier time of it on a five year old aps-c camera with a macro lens, to say nothing of modern 35mm cameras. Sure, but how often do you have them on your person in time to take candid photos? I am in a lot of entomology and myrmecology online groups and people are able to take clear photos of insects that look like professio…

Well, I often have a "real" camera on my person, because I like cameras. It definitely gets me better results than when I use my phone camera. That's just my taste. I'm certainly not saying your average joe would be best-served by going out and buying a GFX-100S.

I'm not sure what YouTuber you're referring to, but most popular photography YouTubers mostly use real cameras still. Occasionally they'll do a gimmick video where they use a phone, but it's the exception, not the rule.

Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

#99

The trick to getting the best out of camera phones is to shore up their weaknesses with external devices. Cell phone cameras are multiple stops slower than "real" cameras (i.e. they take in 1/4 to 1/8th as much light). So you add light to the scene to shore up that weakness. Most of these pictures were probably lit very carefully with high quality lights, or else were taken in bright daylight, and the phone was proba…

Most of the photos Apple highlights in this campaign are also shot with very expensive external lenses.

False. Not a single one of them used any external lens at all, according to the page itself. This may be true for the campaign as a whole, but it's not true for the page under discussion in this thread.

Re: Apple unveils the best photos from the Shot on iPhone Macro Challenge

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stops only need to be adjusted for total photons gathered, not for photons per unit square

Yes, and a much smaller sensor will of course gather much less light.

For the same aperture, sure. But you are not going to be shooting macro photos at f1.5 on full frame (for depth of field reasons alone). For real world macro photography you'd typically be stopping down at least to f8 on a full frame camera. At that point the DSLR has a considerably smaller advantage in terms of the total amount of light gathered.

One thing that people often miss is that you can think about all of this just in terms of the absolute diameter of the aperture (not the f number, just the diameter in mm). For a given angle of view, the diameter of the aperture determines how much light you gather. The question is simply whether a photographer using a DSLR is going to be able to use an aperture that is significantly wider (in mm) than the ~4mm aperture of a phone camera. For depth of field reasons, it's unlikely that they will be able to do so.

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