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Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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I think there's a kind of naïveté at work here. He cooperated when questioned after returning from North Korea, only to have his own words used against him when he was charged. He didn't take sanctions violations seriously enough and when he asked the State Dept for permission beforehand to go, they said no, and he went anyway.

Robert Jackson, Supreme Court justice and lead prosecutor at Nuremberg: "any lawyer worth his salt will tell the suspect in no uncertain terms to make no statement to police under any circumstances"

> Robert Jackson, Supreme Court justice

While that qualifier is unnecessary (we know who Robert H. Jackson is), and while being a Supreme Court Justice is certainly impressive, Jackson is even more impressive for applying his ideologies and simultaneously writing about them and publishing while serving as Attorney General.

The quote you pull is a good one, but I prefer what I think is a finger wag to all prosecutors, who actually hold the most powerful positions in our government (arguably more powerful than Judges, Senators or Presidents):

Nothing better can come out of this meeting of law enforcement officers than a rededication to the spirit of fair play and decency that should animate the federal prosecutor. Your positions are of such independence and importance that while you are being diligent, strict, and vigorous in law enforcement you can also afford to be just. Although the government technically loses its case, it has really won if justice has been done.

Often enough, a federal prosecutor is seduced by their own ambition for the sake of their record (perversely seen as more important than justice), that their case should be won at all cost, and the process seems to be to unfairly pile on charges to exaggerate the actual alleged crime and induce outrage, and economically disenfranchise the suspect or defendant (often employing civil forfeiture for this effect) so that the defendant can not afford to mount a viable defense, in order to induce a plea deal, which often leads to innocent people accruing criminal records, serving time and subsequently being less able to earn a decent living paying less taxes, and not living as long as they might.

I may have gone around the OT bend, but it seems like the way prosecutors operate in general in serving their own ambitions, against Jackson's recommendations, hurts America's bottom line by synthetically reducing the amount of taxes that can be collected and diminishes or disables that individual's ability to contribute to society. The story of Aaron Swartz comes to mind as a perfect example of this.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#132
I was under he impression that NK already had a rather sophisticated cryptocurrency capability and was already using it to evade sanctions, as well as for criminal operations. I mean, anyone who can install software can send/receive cryptocurrency, it's trivial. This seems more like a political prosecution than about any material harm the guy did.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#133

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Imagine knowing literally anything about north Korea and wanting to help that government. He should be put away for life for aiding crimes against humanity.

What if the news about NK is not entirely unbiased? (I have no proof either way, just asking the question) Edit: People are taking my comment wrong. I am asking this because there are a lot of assumptions people have, I know almost nothing about NK, and the comment I replied to seemed somewhat irrational, a little reactionary and certainly vindictive.

There's a difference between "media companies may have conflicts of interest or ideological bents" and "every single proposition ever stated by a journalist is specifically false".

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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He should be in jail for longer. What a traitor.

Imagine knowing literally anything about north Korea and wanting to help that government. He should be put away for life for aiding crimes against humanity.

You can know that North Korean government does bad things but still be against sanctions. It is not self evident that broad sections help the situation or the people of NK.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#135

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You should read the Popehat essay. The guy is a former Federal prosecutor. He knows what he's talking about. Moreover, you forgot to read this part of what you linked to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States#Subse... > A unanimous Court in a brief per curiam opinion in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), abandoned the disfavored language while seemingly applying the reasoning of Schenck to reverse the convi…

>> An american citizen cannot verbally harass someone... >They can, actually. See the quote from the wikipedia article above. No they can’t. Verbal harassment is a crime. Someone can serve a year in jail for it the state of Colorado

> Verbal harassment is a crime. Someone can serve a year in jail for it the state of Colorado

Would you be so kind as to link to the text of the law in question? I expect that a critical part of the law will be something along the lines of "The harasser follows around the harassed, despite requests by the harassed that the harasser desist.", which makes it more than just a restriction on speech. If it's a _pure_ restriction on speech, then I expect that it will not survive a First Amendment challenge.

States can put whatever law they like into the books. States often have laws on the books that wouldn't withstand a Constitutional challenge. For example, even after Lawrence v. Texas, anti-sodomy laws were on the books in _many_ US states. If the state doesn't voluntarily remove a law, it takes expensive, slow court challenges to get rid of them.

For a more recent example of nasty state law that is unlikely to survive long-term, look at the Texas Heartbeat Act.

The fact that a state _really_ wants to prohibit something doesn't override Federal law that asserts that that something is _not_ to be prohibited. But -sadly- those fights frequently have to slog through the courts, so they don't happen nearly as often as they should.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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Not that I'm particularly fond of one mafia gang or the other (yes, the USA government is less damaging to its citizens compared to North Korea - but they are both evil aggressors), but this is a weird hill to die on for Griffith.

Why do something so blatantly illegal? I understand disrespecting the made up laws some idiot bureaucrats come up with, but I don't understand allowing their hired guns to lock you up for 5 years.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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I met Virgil at an academic workshop back in 2014. We went out in Amsterdam. He was a weird guy, to say the least (he’d probably be the first to agree). He was generally quite affable and obviously highly intelligent. He’s an idiot for this fiasco. But it’s also sad to see him in jail; I don’t see how this benefits society in any way. Five years in prison seems like a disproportionate punishment for an arguably victi…

To an extent, I wonder if this is the fear of the unknown. Here is a guy, who actually seems to understand the 'magic' of crypto. God only knows what he could do with dangerous knowledge like that. I am not foreign policy, NK, crypto, or national security expert, but it is not about safety. It is about sending a message at a time when US engages in very heavy sanctions effort ( currently against Russia ). From that p…

He's helping an enemy state to avoid sanctions - countries will always prosecute cases like that.

If he didn't want his mind locked behind bars, he probably shouldn't have done what he did. I'm sure he's a smart guy, but this was not a smart move.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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This is the Merkel-Steinmeier system that was applied to Russia. Bring Russia into the fold economically. Ignore its bad actions. Give it access to money, technology, etc. So that it will become economically dependent with us and then it won't want to attack anyone. Surely as Russians become more economically able they will fight against Putin's brutal reign. Well, exactly the opposite happened. Look at Ukraine today…

As I clarified above, I am not promoting state to state white market economic activity. I am promoting peer to peer countereconomic black market activity which cripples the control and power of the closed economy with the express goal of destroying the control and parasitism enabled by the closed economy.

"Peer to peer" is a superset of "state to state". There is no technology which will allow a North Korean citizen to sidestep their government's parasitic internal economy without also allowing the North Korean government to sidestep international sanctions.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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North Korea actively threatens the use of nuclear weapons, offensively, against its neighbors and enemies. There should be no sympathy for this regime or anyone who collaborates with it.

Giving North Korean citizens access to an economy outside their locked down one where they can engage in trade may well be the exact opposite of collaborating with the North Korean regime. This could easily be the most practical and realistic way to destroy North Korean control over its economy. If those citizens are no longer beholden to the regime for their economic livelihood and that encourages internal organisat…

I don't think this rationale holds up to the least bit of scrutiny. How would a DPRK citizen hold or transact with cryptocurrency? On their heavily locked down and monitored computer devices on the heavily locked down and monitored national network?

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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post #24

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North Korea actively threatens the use of nuclear weapons, offensively, against its neighbors and enemies. There should be no sympathy for this regime or anyone who collaborates with it.

Giving North Korean citizens access to an economy outside their locked down one where they can engage in trade may well be the exact opposite of collaborating with the North Korean regime. This could easily be the most practical and realistic way to destroy North Korean control over its economy. If those citizens are no longer beholden to the regime for their economic livelihood and that encourages internal organisat…

Cryptocurrencies have no way to unilaterally accomplish that.

Bitcoin can’t stop anyone from knocking down your door and taking your belongings. It doesn’t work without access to communication technology. It doesn’t do anything to circumvent barriers to trade in the physical world. Trade requires two transfers. And, you can’t eat a bitcoin.

The only people in NK who have the ability to use bitcoin in trade are the political elite.

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