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Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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Agreed. And once we finish with North Korea we should turn our eyes to the United States, the country that developed and currently only user of nuclear weapons in combat. No sympathy for users of nuclear weapons or any country who threatens its use!

The USA are the good guys so I'm happy they have their defensive nukes all around the world. Also, the one time when they used their nukes offensively that was actually to save lives.

I appreciate your honesty. That being said I stand by my position. It’s better if no one supports anyone who uses, threatens to use, develop or has used nukes.

Needless to say only a small number of countries fit that criteria.

United States will not be a “good guy” forever.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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He wasn't arrested at the airport when he returned, he was questioned and cooperated, then was arrested later with evidence partially being what he himself told investigators.

Thanks. I think they want links because they hadn't seen this case before even though the rest of us have been watching this slow motion trainwreck for some time.

Pretty good rundown here: https://www.thedailybeast.com/crypto-enthusiast-virgil-griff... ---

According to his lawyers, after his North Korean speaking engagement, Griffith actually went straight to the U.S. embassy in Singapore, where he was residing at the time, to tell them all about the experience. He also chose to meet with the FBI in Puerto Rico and San Francisco.

But after extensive talks, the feds instead surprised the technologist by arresting him at Los Angeles International Airport on Thanksgiving Day 2019, while Griffith was boarding a flight to Baltimore to spend the holiday with his parents and sister.

He was indicted months later on a single count of violating presidential executive orders aimed at blocking North Korea from the international banking system as punishment for its repeated threats to nuke the United States.

The arrest immediately generated criticism, as the exceedingly eccentric and devoted community of cryptocurrency enthusiasts cast the prosecution as a crackdown on free speech.

Meanwhile, the federal government played right into that by shrouding the case in secrecy. So many court files were kept sealed that journalist Matthew Russell Lee, who runs the publication Inner City Press, asked the judge to reconsider in a letter that noted, “The sealings and withholding here are unacceptable, and go beyond those requested even in the Central Intelligence Agency trial” of accused Wikileaks leaker Joshua Adam Schulte.

As the case proceeded, Griffith’s attorneys maintained that his travel was “a goodwill speaking trip.”

During his chats with FBI agents, Griffith came clean and offered to help the feds explore his North Korean contacts and activities, according to a source close to Griffith. This source described at length Griffith’s willingness to cooperate with the American intelligence agencies and the potential to become something of a spy asset. Those hopes were dashed when the Justice Department came down hard on him.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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From Coindesk:

> Judge Castel read a series of text messages and emails from Griffith in which the defendant admits to sharing information with North Korea for the express purpose of helping the repressive Kim regime evade sanctions.

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/04/12/former-ethereum...

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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The USA junta will punish you if you go against them, constitution be damned, the judges are on their side.

Ermmmm not here. When you can afford to tango with them, they don't take surprising constitutional views actually. That part is in your favor. Its more about affording to get that far, in other cases. This case isn't one of those? He wasn't charged for the speech, he was charged for violating a travel and business sanction after explicitly asking for an exemption and being denied. He went out of his way to hop over b…

It is absurd to think that a government (armed group with a pretense of authority) can restrict your freedom of movement like this justifiably. Your individual sovereignty and agency is violated.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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All that education and they still didn’t have the common sense to maybe not go to North Korea

I think there's a kind of naïveté at work here. He cooperated when questioned after returning from North Korea, only to have his own words used against him when he was charged. He didn't take sanctions violations seriously enough and when he asked the State Dept for permission beforehand to go, they said no, and he went anyway.

Robert Jackson, Supreme Court justice and lead prosecutor at Nuremberg: "any lawyer worth his salt will tell the suspect in no uncertain terms to make no statement to police under any circumstances"

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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Not surprised: it seems a common theme with crypto evangelists is the application of the blockchain to avoid sanctions. I don't think its deeply ideological (as in anti-America/Pro-NK) - it's more like they view US financial hegemony as a "competitor" to blockchain technology and a hinderance to global cryptocurrency adoption. Why he would throw his life away like this seems silly. I don't see the point in taking pay…

It's the ultimate place any honest monetary cipherpunk ends up at. Either you have government controlled financial systems, or you have decentralized financial systems.

Getting to any middleground is pretty tortured, both technically and morally.

Sort of like "Strong encryption permits a world in which child pornography cannot be tracked" with respect to encryption. It's ugly, but true.

(Said as someone who doesn't care about cryptocurrency enough to have a strong opinion either way)

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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Could someone explain why this wouldn't fall under freedom of speech? Sounds like there were not government secrets nor did the expert have a security clearance that would have held him to a higher standard. If Tor researchers gave a presentation at a security conference on how to install Tor, knowing full well that some would use it to engage in the proliferation of CSAM, would that also not fall under free speech?

If the security conference was in a place sanctioned under the US International Emergency Economic Powers Act, then yes. He applied for a travel exemption, and was denied. He went anyway. He was charged with that, not the speech. That's how its enforced, for this specific reason. Regulate the intermediary to control the desired behavior. Don't regulate the individual with first amendment rights.

What piqued my interest is that why don't the NK held the conference in place like CN, HK or Macau? Pretty sure they can hook up more talents with much lower risk.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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post #25

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All that education and they still didn’t have the common sense to maybe not go to North Korea

I think there's a kind of naïveté at work here. He cooperated when questioned after returning from North Korea, only to have his own words used against him when he was charged. He didn't take sanctions violations seriously enough and when he asked the State Dept for permission beforehand to go, they said no, and he went anyway.

Immediately reminded me of: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Frampton

But in my limited understanding, this seems much more malicious and I’m less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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