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We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by smartbit »

SpaceMartini wrote: post #73
SpaceMartini wrote: post #69

I work in HPC for a cloud provider, and fully endorse this move. Anonymously, of course. You can make an economic argument for or against cloud in practically every IT domain, but in HPC the case for on-prem is really compelling; none of the cloud networking/resiliency value-add is relevant to batch workflows, and costs per core-hour are only remotely comparable if you use spot - which is itself a major compromise. T…

As an addendum to this: if you absolutely must use cloud, stick with AWS. Using Azure is (IMO) a fucking miserable experience and their only advantage (InfiniBand) is better served by buying your own hardware. GCP and OCI might be fine if you are getting a lot of credits, but the skills will not be useful down the line - while AWS is expensive, you will at least learn a bunch of in-demand operational skills.

> you will at least learn a bunch of in-demand operational skills.

Are you saying we should stick with AWS because most stick with AWS?

My personal experience with GKE/GCP was quite good, except as expected for their support.

Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by thefunnyman »

gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #150

I always got the impression that there has been a lot of cloud propaganda/astroturfing, even on HN. I'm seeing more of these "on-prem infrastructure" posts, citing costs, efficiency, and cloud complexity. We run most of our infra on-prem, and have looked to moving a few bits and pieces to the cloud, but the math almost always works out to buying hardware. Meanwhile, I talk to some friends, and their opex costs are as…

I think the reality is that most companies don’t have the skill set needed to maintain on-prem infra. A lot of us here take this kind of knowledge for granted, but most businesses don’t have the time or resources to build some of this stuff themselves so they reach for the cloud. You also see a lot of VC backed companies splurge on cloud as a trade off of money for rapid growth.

Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by SpaceMartini »

smartbit wrote: post #151
SpaceMartini wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an addendum to this: if you absolutely must use cloud, stick with AWS. Using Azure is (IMO) a fucking miserable experience and their only advantage (InfiniBand) is better served by buying your own hardware. GCP and OCI might be fine if you are getting a lot of credits, but the skills will not be useful down the line - while AWS is expensive, you will at least learn a bunch of in-demand operational skills.

> you will at least learn a bunch of in-demand operational skills. Are you saying we should stick with AWS because most stick with AWS? My personal experience with GKE/GCP was quite good, except as expected for their support.

> Are you saying we should stick with AWS because most stick with AWS?

Broadly speaking yes - there is a lot of value in having a deeper pool of skilled people to hire from, and there are enough differences between cloud offerings to knock at least a couple of "effective years" of experience off someone who changes provider.

Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by paxys »

lvl102 wrote: post #4

I hate the fact that hiring now basically requires cloud experience specific to vendors. This is basically going to force people into one of the three major cloud platforms.

Hiring for what? 95% of software roles out there don't need you to know what a cloud or server even is. If you are specifically going into ops/DBA/sysadmin type roles, then knowing the basics about the top service providers out there isn't too much to ask for.

Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by paxys »

If you are paying the cloud premium make sure you actually utilize the advantages it offers – global distribution, elasticity, rapid scaling, high availability, disaster recovery. Otherwise what's the point? If your needs can be met by shoving a couple thousand dollars worth of hardware into a closet somewhere that is obviously going to be a lot cheaper.

Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by fxtentacle »

sofixa wrote: post #85
fxtentacle wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Intel 82599ES SFP+ and a TL-SX3008F router. But let me warn you: Things are affordable, but NOT consumer-friendly. I needed to study the 500 page PDF manual and do basic link configuration through telnet via USB before I could connect to the router via Ethernet and use its web-GUI to finish the setup.

How's the routing performance on that switch? I'm really struggling finding a device to fit my needs ( routing, 6-8 ports, Ethernet, at least two 2.5/5/10G).

8x 10G SFP+ with a 160GB/s full duplex backplane. So far, it has passed all of my testing with flying colors.

Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by edanm »

theta_d wrote: post #68
croes wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dot-com bubble wasn't about SaaS companies but internet companies as such, basically everything with a .com address. Hence the name. It was more about e-commerce than SaaS. Especially because of the internet data rate in the late 90s.

In the 90s we didn’t use the term SaaS. It was ASP back then, Application Service Provider.

You're mixing two different things. SaaS is a business model. ASP is a technology.

Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by manigandham »

edanm wrote: post #158
theta_d wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 90s we didn’t use the term SaaS. It was ASP back then, Application Service Provider.

You're mixing two different things. SaaS is a business model. ASP is a technology.

No, that's a different ASP. Application Service Providers are a business type: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_service_provider

Re: We decided to move 90% of our workload from the cloud to on-prem infrastructure

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Post by edanm »

manigandham wrote: post #159
edanm wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're mixing two different things. SaaS is a business model. ASP is a technology.

No, that's a different ASP. Application Service Providers are a business type: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_service_provider

Oh! I stand corrected. Very interesting, I'll be reading up on this.
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