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Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by [deleted] »

xkbarkar wrote: post #6
mountainriver wrote: post #3

I used to really like CNN back in like 2010. Over the years its just become worse and worse to the point I don't read it anymore. It's basically turned into gossip news and is constantly skewing reality in favor of profits. I'm over it, and I think most other people are as well.

Anecdotally yeah. Agree. To me cnn is the exact same garbage as fox. Just leftist instead of rightist. I never click on any links to either media. Actually I used to line the guardian but in the past two years the quality of their reporting also just went alarmist and hyperbolic. In some cases blatantly inaccurate. Looking for a good news source currenty that arent afraid of critizicing any political party and their…

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Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by g42gregory »

xkbarkar wrote: post #6
mountainriver wrote: post #3

I used to really like CNN back in like 2010. Over the years its just become worse and worse to the point I don't read it anymore. It's basically turned into gossip news and is constantly skewing reality in favor of profits. I'm over it, and I think most other people are as well.

Anecdotally yeah. Agree. To me cnn is the exact same garbage as fox. Just leftist instead of rightist. I never click on any links to either media. Actually I used to line the guardian but in the past two years the quality of their reporting also just went alarmist and hyperbolic. In some cases blatantly inaccurate. Looking for a good news source currenty that arent afraid of critizicing any political party and their…

Jonathan Turley, Glenn Greenwald.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by matwood »

ZetaZero wrote: post #5

I didn't ever understand the value proposition here. I already get CNN thru YTTT. Or I can go to CNN.com for more choices. Why do I need to pay $$ for a different CNN source?

The other problem is cnn+ doesn't actually give you live cnn. It's additional content.

I've seen some speculation it was simply a play to keep talent who are being courted by big platforms. Giving said talent an outlet to try different format shows with more freedom, etc... would help lock them in.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by scantron4 »

Here is an article saying their total tv viewership in the demo is just 126,000 a night. (Older than the demo seems more likely to me to be people that are going to keep paying for cable and thus be less willing to substitute a streaming service, you may or may not agree. In that case it comes up to 500,000 a night.)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2022/02/21/cnns-rat...

How can they seriously think they could quadruple their current cable viewership with a paid app in a year? "expected to bring in around 2 million subscribers in the U.S. in the service's first year and 15-18 million after four years."

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by downrightmike »

sfblah wrote: post #7
mikeweiss wrote: post #2

Of course people aren't paying $6 a month for news, they really mis-calculated the audience for this. People who watch CNN already subscribe to cable (Traditional or OTT) It should've always just been an add on or included in HBO max for free to add additional value to that streaming platform. It's not too late, they could easily integrate it with HBO max to offer live news to all who subscribe.

My take on this was it was just a clone of the Fox News pay service. The CNN one would just be from a left-leaning perspective or some such. I bet if they market it better, it will do OK.

Then they've missed the mark, because they aren't left, just center.

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Post by colechristensen »

mikeweiss wrote: post #2

Of course people aren't paying $6 a month for news, they really mis-calculated the audience for this. People who watch CNN already subscribe to cable (Traditional or OTT) It should've always just been an add on or included in HBO max for free to add additional value to that streaming platform. It's not too late, they could easily integrate it with HBO max to offer live news to all who subscribe.

I'd pay $6 a month for actual informative content, but have you ever actually watched cable news for an extended amount of time? It's mostly just inane blathering and repeating the same thing over and over. They just don't have more than 30 minutes worth of information to share each day, but they stretch it to 24 hours. If they upped the information content, lowered the emotional appeal, and just covered a whole lot more I bet they could boost their audience...

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by cableshaft »

xkbarkar wrote: post #6
mountainriver wrote: post #3

I used to really like CNN back in like 2010. Over the years its just become worse and worse to the point I don't read it anymore. It's basically turned into gossip news and is constantly skewing reality in favor of profits. I'm over it, and I think most other people are as well.

Anecdotally yeah. Agree. To me cnn is the exact same garbage as fox. Just leftist instead of rightist. I never click on any links to either media. Actually I used to line the guardian but in the past two years the quality of their reporting also just went alarmist and hyperbolic. In some cases blatantly inaccurate. Looking for a good news source currenty that arent afraid of critizicing any political party and their…

Breaking Points is a good option: https://www.youtube.com/c/breakingpoints

They do have their own biases, but the dynamic is more conservative that hates the direction the GOP is going in (Saagar) and liberal progressive who is not a fan of the Democratic establishment (Krystal). As such neither one hesitates to call out what they disagree with for both Republicans and Democrats.

They have an optional subscription service that is doing extremely well. CNN should have consulted them for how to set up their premium service, because they have it figured out. Most of their content is free to the public in segments, but you get an unedited full stream unlisted Youtube link if you pay (plus some extra back and forth commentary), as well as bonus segments every week that are unlisted as well.

Being independent also makes it so they're not afraid to speak their mind about things either.

There's a few things they like to cover repeatedly that I really don't care about personally, and I don't always agree with their views on certain issues, but there's always a few things I like to hear their take on.

Re: Big cuts coming for CNN+ after slow start

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Post by lampshades »

g42gregory wrote: post #12
xkbarkar wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally yeah. Agree. To me cnn is the exact same garbage as fox. Just leftist instead of rightist. I never click on any links to either media. Actually I used to line the guardian but in the past two years the quality of their reporting also just went alarmist and hyperbolic. In some cases blatantly inaccurate. Looking for a good news source currenty that arent afraid of critizicing any political party and their…

Jonathan Turley, Glenn Greenwald.

> Glenn Greenwald

Who is actually on Fox quite a bit these days, funnily enough. 15-25 year old me would have laughed in disbelief, but if I decide to turn on cable news these days, I turn on Fox.

Edit: Also, Whitney Webb at Mint Press News is very good, just to throw her in the ring.

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