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Have you tired to raise specific US abuses here on HN? What was the response?
You get your account and IP address shadowbanned.
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It's not a refutation. You aren't replying to an attempt to refute something. You're replying to an expression of shock at the behavior on display (specifically, people claiming - in a thread about Chinese torture camps - that we should not talk about them, because we weren't talking about American torture camps, so it would be hypocritical to talk about the Chinese ones). I'm generally in agreement that this isn't g…
A post about Chinese torture camps makes an impression that torture camps are exclusively a Chinese thing. It would be fair to mention other countries involved in similar behavior. The post could have been "torture camps are bad" piece. It is instead focuses on "China is bad" propaganda
I don't think it does, and I don't think it's a good idea to attribute meaning when there is no one if you want to keep an open, good faith debate. At any point in time there are lots of terrible things being done in the world, to a various degree and to a various number of people. You can't talk about all of them every time you want to talk about one of them.
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I don't recall any US prison in the last 70+ years where people on the order of a million people, largely from a single region or ethnicity, were imprisoned on suspicion of mere affiliation. Every country probably has a signature few cases of prosecution that may provoke our indignation. That's not the same as putting people into prison because their religious beliefs make them enemies of the state.
cough internment of japanese cough
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Please quit your US newspeak.
What do you believe to be incorrect in what I quoted?
> U.S. control of Guantánamo Bay came about through the end of the Spanish-American war and the Platt Amendment. This amendment was initiated in 1903 and outlined seven conditions for the U.S. withdrawal from Cuba. The United States intervened at the end of the Spanish-American War, taking credit for Cuban independence from Spain. The Platt Amendment was an amendment to the Cuban constitution that supposedly gave Cuba sovereignty, however it included conditions that allowed for U.S. intervention and the ability for the United States to lease or buy lands in order to establish naval bases. The U.S. was allowed to create up to four naval bases on the island of Cuba, but only ever built one, at Guantánamo Bay. The Platt Amendment was repealed in 1934, which is why the Cuban government considers the U.S. occupation of Guantánamo Bay illegal.
"conditions for the U.S. withdrawal from Cuba" = military force. "perpetual lease" my ass.
Holly molly, the whatsaboutism in these comments.
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Does no one actually care about the words of the Uyghur people suffering or Han Chinese who have spoken out?
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/23/uighurs-in-turkey-c...
- https://youtu.be/RH0F75tpD_A
- https://youtu.be/2Shla50pRxA
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I am absolutely sick of this attitude. People disagreeing with you does not make them a Russian bot or a Chinese shill. Making that accusation baselessly degrades the conversation while contributing nothing.
Everyone has successfully turned this thread into a discussion about the West. Purposeful distraction.
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I'm from Germany, and i don't feel like the US is seeing itself as "equal" as to other countries. The US is one of the most militarily aggressive states, just within my lifetime, they invaded Afghanistan, Iraq and had several weird operations in Syria and Libya. "Normal" values would be zero. I long for the day when US war crimes are treated the same way as war crimes by non-western countries. Instead they pull off s…
Germany invaded Afghanistan. In all of the other wars you mention the US acted alongside broad coalitions. If you're going to criticize the US you should also criticize Canada, the UK, Spain, Italy, Australia and Germany.
Might be because its the US drones who are bombing marriages, not Spains or Italys.
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> The incarceration rate is around 5 times that of China You have no idea what the incarceration rate is in China in fact - part the charm of the zero human rights modern China, which is itself an authoritarian prison state - and their supposed official figure does not include millions of Uyghurs.
Holly molly, the whatsaboutism in these comments.