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Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses

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Re: Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses

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Post by ATsch »

IncRnd wrote: post #103
VictorPath wrote: post #68

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> Guantanamo Bay Other than that the US kidnaps people from various countries, often without approval of the country where the kidnapping happens, brings the rebel (patriot?) to Guantanamo Bay without even trial by US legal system and waterboards and tortures them and holds them indefinitely - although some are realized to be the wrong identity and let go - there is another point... ...Cuba has denounced the US milit…

> ...Cuba has denounced the US military occupation of Guantanamo Bay for decades, and requested the US to leave. So this is happening against the wishes of the country it is happening in. It's not a military occupation in the sense you imply. It is a perpetual lease made between the US and Cuba. [1] [1] https://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/ns_gua...

See, it's not an occupation, it's a "perpetual lease". That I happen to enforce with my army. And we didn't steal that land, they kindly gave it to us. When we held a gun up to their heads and made them sign a document they did not understand. Oh, and these aren't slaves, they're workers. Who happen to be on an unbreakable contract.

(and also, how could I forget, "these Uighurs aren't prisoners, they're just people who, realizing their mistakes, kindly happened to voluntarily come here for education")

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Post by golergka »

ATsch wrote: post #20
plouffy wrote: post #8

Holly molly, the whatsaboutism in these comments.

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> US' own actions show that their supposed concern about the Xinjiang prisoners is wholly disingenuous point scoring

OK, and? Is that a reason to not support this concern and investigation?

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Post by blueflow »

BobbyJo wrote: post #117
blueflow wrote: post #113

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Ooof, if you're German, then, by your own logic, you don't really have room to speak on the atrocities of other countries... no?

Its also racist to make people held accountable for their ancestors. This is what the Nazis did to the Jews, and the US teached germany the hard way that it is not right. How comes you didn't learn that lesson?

Germany got the Nürnberger Trials, the US (clarification: politicians) was never held accountable for anything.

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Post by bostonsre »

olsonjeffery wrote: post #108
bostonsre wrote: post #87

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I think the point is you are wholly ignoring atrocities committed by the ccp and changing the topic. So what if the US did bad things, the ccp is doing horrible things and that is what the article is about. What is your response to that? They are imprisoning millions, it boggles my mind how bringing it to light could be considered nothing more than point scoring.

As long as the US can’t be held accountable, neither will China. Simple as that. China’s abuses flourish amid a global economic order that the United States of America has a stranglehold on. Why does China not “enjoy” the same kinds of sanctions as the Russia? Because we live in a world without justice where the demand for open (not free!) markets and the flow of goods to the metropol. And if you support out present…

> And if you support out present system, you should acknowledge that things are exactly as they should be.

Why exactly? Are you suggesting that we do exactly nothing? Why can't we try to push our countries to be better citizens of the world?

I don't think we should accept atrocities. If outrage and anger didn't matter and if there actually was no way to change the economic order of the world Taiwan would have been invaded already.

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Post by golergka »

VictorPath wrote: post #94
DigitalSea wrote: post #65

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Have there been at least one verified report about american comment far, BTW? There's been dozens about Russian and Chinese over the last 15 years.

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Post by fps_doug »

lr4444lr wrote: post #106
lom wrote: post #54

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https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/japanese-america...

Absolutely. I didn't pick "70" randomly.

Sure, you deliberately placed the goal posts as such that they exactly put the US on the moral high ground.

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Post by BobbyJo »

lenkite wrote: post #104
BobbyJo wrote: post #89

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> Ditto in Guantanamo. I suggest doing a bit more research. There are far more than 1000 Islamists in the US. Not sure where you're pulling that statement from. > Done not by the US press but by Wikileaks, whose founder ( Assange) is being hounded by both the US govt and the media. And I can freely read all about it. It was picked up by every major news organization on American soil. >Stop with the sanctimonious hypo…

> There are far more than 1000 Islamists in the US. Not sure where you're pulling that statement from. I am responding to this statement: "You are put there for your ethnicity and religion, (no suspected crimes are needed for detainment), despite being a Chinese citizen.". I am sure you are aware that there were no suspected crimes needed for detainment in Gitmo and the US government said: "It Can Indefinitely Detain…

> I am sure you are aware that there were no suspected crimes needed for detainment in Gitmo and the US government said: "It Can Indefinitely Detain Anyone — Even U.S. Citizens".

My point was that didn't happen. If we were putting people there solely for their religion and ethnicity, it'd be much more than a thousand. It would be millions... like in Xinjiang.

> No, not as an individual and I will concede that to you. But as a government, MOST certainly yes.

I'm not a government. You called me hypocritical.

In any case, democracies are necessarily hypocritical. They change leaders pretty often, and different leaders tend to have different beliefs.

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Post by adventured »

danielheath wrote: post #102
cabirum wrote: post #90

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"Whataboutism" is not a valid refutation in most contexts. It's more of a chant, a mantra, a trigger word you are conditioned to bring up when some kind of obvious hypocrisy or double standard is being pointed out that you cannot otherwise refute. [edit] Also, "whataboutism" the word, sounds like from 2ndgrader vocabulary

It's not a refutation. You aren't replying to an attempt to refute something. You're replying to an expression of shock at the behavior on display (specifically, people claiming - in a thread about Chinese torture camps - that we should not talk about them, because we weren't talking about American torture camps, so it would be hypocritical to talk about the Chinese ones). I'm generally in agreement that this isn't g…

The insanity of an emotionally out of control mob of people pretending it's not a radically greater moral crime to torture millions of innocent people, than it is to torture a thousand people.

It's the scale difference between the US blowing up a wedding party by accident as a moral crime and Russia raping and murdering their way through Bucha or Mariupol. The emotionalist mob would proclaim they're the same thing.

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Post by sidibe »

VictorPath wrote: post #82
mlindner wrote: post #14

I do wonder who pays to have all these comments put on hacker news. This happens a lot on Russia-related threads as well. Or is it just some nationality who learned incorrect history. On the Russia-related threads I would've put it to people from India as there's a big tech group there and they speak English and their country is cozy with Russia, but they wouldn't be defending China.

Who is paying for all these pro-US government, anti-China, anti-Russia articles to pop up on tech news sites? I know the US has interrupted the Grammy's broadcast to denounce Russia, or started the Saturday Night Live broadcast denouncing Russia, or fired various opera singers or pushed Russians out of sports federations so I guess tech is just another base to cover. After weeks of Russia bashing I guess it's time to…

The US "started the Saturday Night Live broadcast denouncing Russia?" So when you say the "US" did something, you mean Americans did something. Well Americans do a lot of things. I guess if your reference points are China and Russia, it may be hard to see the distinction
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