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> Ctrl-K to kill a line... The text system also has a basic kill-yank separate from copy paste. So you can Ctrl-K to kill a line, then Ctrl-y to yank it out elsewhere in basically every text input in the OS.
Oddly this is actually nicer in macOS than Linux desktops, because Ctrl-A is normally reserved for "select all" on other OSes. Because macOS puts all the "normal" select/cut/copy/paste combos on the command key, the full set of Unixy movement keys is available on the control key.
Impressions from a first-time Mac user
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Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user
#572Despite the warning, I didn't find it nearly as "ranty" as the author cautioned, and instead seemed like a fairly comprehensive and fair take on his experience. Having gone through the same thing myself several years ago, the UI aspect of it is something that I'd be curious to see how it develops for the author. I think it is not uncommon for Windows folk to find the windowing experience on macs rather painful, at le…
I always feel like Apple optimises UX very heavily for laptops (small screens, fullscreen-first makes a lot of sense), where Microsoft optimises more for desktops (large screens, multiple apps sharing the screen makes more sense). I find windows really clumsy on small laptop screens, even though it works great on my desktop :/
Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user
#573Window management used to be a pain for me too on a mac until I found Spectacle. With a few keyboard shortcuts that you set yourself, you won't miss snapping windows by mouse drags. Everything happens with your fingers on the keyboard.
Alt+Tab with multi-window apps is still a pain for me I admit. So I'm with you there.
Overall the stability of a mac (both software and hardware), usability and the productivity you get with the trackpad gestures will make you not want to go back to anything after you've used them for a few weeks.
Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user
#574Funny. Coming from macOS to Linux Mint, I find I can make many of the same or similar arguments but against Linux. The UI is inconsistent, esp. wrt the menu bar. Keyboard shortcuts are inconsistent across different apps. macOS remembers window positions, GNOME doesn't. macOS can use different backgrounds for different monitors, GNOME can't. The GNOME Panel is a poor substitute for the macOS Dock (which itself is seve…
I thought Mint came with Cinnamon. (Wow that was a funny sentence :D) > macOS can use different backgrounds for different monitors, GNOME can't That'd be the least of my problems. Also, on xfce you can set different backgrounds for different monitors.
Whatever you don't like you can just change. You can change to a different DE, change WM/themes/icons/dotfiles whatever you want, you can change. You are not constrained by a perscribed UX philosophy.
To me personally that is very liberating.
Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user
#575I have one very big item to put on the 'Bad' list not mentioned in the article: key shortcuts, especially those for text manipulation. I'm reading and writing emails and documents all day long. I need CTRL-LEFT (ok, SUPER-LEFT) to do the right thing and move one word at a time. Having to switch to ALT-LEFT for that is killing my productivity in MacOS /and/ in Linux and Windows (because my muscle memory is gone). It's extremely frustrating.
Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user
#576By software you only mean window management and switching really, then. When you witness a lot less of app crashes on macOS you will appreciate the software better. Window management used to be a pain for me too on a mac until I found Spectacle. With a few keyboard shortcuts that you set yourself, you won't miss snapping windows by mouse drags. Everything happens with your fingers on the keyboard. Alt+Tab with multi-…
Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user
#577Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is Apple UX in a nutshell. Hidden power tools are not intuitive.
How is this Apple UX specific? Windows UX and Linux UX work the same way. I'd argue a lot of power user feature are more accessible on macOS than on Windows. The shortcuts and gestures for macOS can be found in the system settings and you can change the shortcuts. How are you supposed to find them on Windows? I think people see macOS as more intuitive because it doesn't offer as much customization and is relatively c…
"[x] Enable FooBar mode" oh hey, this tool has a FooBar mode!
In my experience, almost the first thing I do when trying a new program is having a look through the settings.
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While I do appreciate those benifits the confusion caused as soon as there are multiple windows on the screen doesn't seem worth it. I have enough trouble managing keyboard focus I don't need to add another layer (which somehow seems even harder for me to comprehend)
It’s just one of those things that if you want to, you can get used to it, but if you resist it you won’t. Like learning Vi or Emacs or BBEdit. There are tools you already learned to use, the Macintosh user interface is just another. The alternative is what? Apple changes something millions of people are already used to, their existing customer base, to satisfy switchers specifically when most can easily adapt? Or yo…
It's possible for an interface to be widely used and still have sharp edges. I consider this one of macOS's. It doesn't need to change, it may well not be worth it. But at least some people will end up in the menu of the wrong application.
Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user
#579Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cmd+` switches between windows of the same app, and it's actually more convenient (IMHO) than using Alt+Tab to switch between every one of your windows from every app. There are also a handful of trackpad gestures for showing all the windows in the current app or all of your windows.
As long as you haven't made the active window full screen, or the window you want to switch to, then yes, it works. But it is painful :P
What's being described as "full screen" windows on macOS is not exactly that, and it's very different than full screen windows on Windows or the standard Linux window managers.
On macOS, when we click on the little green button on top of a window, that window becomes full screen *and* becomes a new single-window workspace.
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-apps-in-full-sc...
Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user
#580* Tried installing Signal 4 times, it failed on the apple account generation and no further clues that it didn't or did install signal (it didn't).
* You can't just put icons on the bottom of screen, where your thumb is... need to fill the top with other icons first to get important stuff on the bottom. (The start screen fills from the top, so to say, very annoying).
* Love the privacy notice that say they won't share anything that is not needed for functioning, feels good.
* App store does not start with search.. so I feel a bit lost at first.
* Confirm app installs with side button twice, bit weird. Especially when you have the phone in your left hand.
* Absolutely maddening that it keeps correcting my .nl email adres to .nul (android leaves non text field alone as far as I'm aware).
* Nextcloud picture not available to Signal? I Synced some folder of nice pics for profile pics. Where are they?
* No intro at all into UI... After a week or so, I got a sort of set if intro cards which were quite helpful.
* Almost all of my selfhosted apps are represented, very nice (NextCloud, Home Assistant, WireGuard)
* Top suggestion in app store is never what you are looking for or searched for. Pretty strange. Can we change that? Ah I learned later that the first one is an ad, you can see it because there dark blue around it (???)..
* Many controls are at the top when I can't reach them. In Android I feel that that is much more avoided.
* Video pauses when taking a quick look at notification tray, I don't like that.
* Notification tray is on the left side, the settings on the right. But not on the lock screen, then it's a swipe up... (I got used to this after some time)
* Can't drag to folder onto lower bar/icon area (maybe fixed in iOS 15)
* Pull down in middle of screen brings up Siri, not notifications, I'd swap that, now notifications really require a stretch of your hand, or that awkward small swipe down at the bottom. I turned Siri of when she started interrupting my meetings.
* I set Firefox as the standard browser yet both telegram and Signal (so far) always open Safari.
* Photos contains every image, not just photos, it's more like a gallery.
* Why is it not grouping notifications? Notifications were quite confusing at first, but I got used to it. Especially the difference in notifications and bars (stroken in dutch).
* Auto correct does not uncorrect on backspace. Language switching does seem to go very well. It ofter autocorrects my last work AFTER I press send. Absolutely maddening.
* Swipe to type only seems available for English (fixed in iOS 15)
* Notification dots sometimes stuck on Nextcloud or other apps, I turned them off on some apps.
* Swiping in photos app is un-intuitive... but once used to it it works well and is consistent, ie it also work in chat apps like signal, close picture, swipe down. Details, swipe up.
* Printing worked without an app, but unable to change size or anything. Everything is printed at 25%? Samsung/HP print apps are absolute crap.
* Red dots are not synced with open notifications, when I dismiss a notification I want the red dot gone. hotspot keeps shutting down after some time, annoying.
* I had 652 mb is data on iCloud no idea what it was, I didn't think about it and now stuffis in the cloud.
* In the android notification tray curation can happen, on iOS it feels like a mess (not anymore after a year)
* Alarm is confusing, not the same sound for the health alarm as the other and weird to change an alarm. Also weird to turn the alarm off
* Replying to an email and adding a couple of consecutive pictures is a very difficult.
* Widgets feel connected, updating the calendar and closing it makes it swoop back into the widget and the widget has the changes I made. On android I was used to it being normal that widget would still need some time to update, later on, to represent my changes.
* One gets a report screen use report about next week, tap it, it takes you to the current week :s