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Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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So, let me get this straight: * It's been deleted for a week already, they estimate they might need two more weeks. Three in total. * They claim to have "extensive backups", and hundreds of engineers working on it. What? How? This simply doesn't go together. Why would restoring from backup take three weeks? Either their backups aren't complete, or they need new software written for the restore, or something else does…

What if they have backups of the data, but not the specifics of users' sites?

Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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Because all the others are equally bad, basically. The options for enterprisey issue management are quite slim.

I really like ClickUp. Never had an issue.

Does it have good API for extending with what's missing compared to Atlassian/Microsoft/Jetbrains offerings, i.e. the tight connection between issue tracking other aspects than issue tracking such as builds, deployments etc? E.g. how pull requests are related to work items, or which work items end up in a specfic build/deployment etc?

Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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If technical competency had any bearing on stock prices they should've been at 0 since long ago. Their stock price is tied to the amount of clueless/shitty companies that will still cling onto their products regardless of what happens, and I don't think this incident is going to change much.

Honest question: Since Trello is part of Atlassian aswell - what are good, reliable and above all lightweight alternatives for managing projects without the “pseudo-agile” rabbit holes of functionality?

YouTrack works well, and you can self host or cloud it as you prefer.

Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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The cloud is just someone else's servers. 3-2-1-0 Applies to all data, at all time, in all places

Normally it's 3-2-1, what does the 0 represent here? 3 copies 2 different formats (ex. HDD, cloud) 1 offsite 0 lost data? :D

>2 different formats (ex. HDD, cloud)

That's not what "format" means, it's more like DB-Dump and DB-VM-Dump, or pure Files and VM-Dump, or something like restic-repo and rsync(pure files).

Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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They are discontinuing on prem after 2022 though. What is your plan if not to migrate to their SaaS offering?

What are disconnected customers going to do? Surely they won't cut off the entire US military and DoD by terminating that cash cow of on premises.

You can still buy datacenter edition, and some of us are forced to do so, if we wish to continue to use Jira and Confluence. For us it's not a problem, we're heavily invested in the Atlassian suite of product, and sell consulting, so we get a significant discount. For some of our clients it's a massive problem, as Atlassian cannot promise them that data won't leave the country, if fact it's certain that it will, because there's no AWS datacenter within our borders.

Atlassian completely ignored the large number of smaller customers who are legally forced to use an on-premise solution. If the software industry was so hell-bent on SaaS there would be a great business oppotunity in creating an on-premise Jira competitor.

Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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We will probably bite the sour apple (not sure if this is correct English but you’ll get the meaning even if it’s not) and switch to the data center edition which is still on prem but costs approximately twice as much.

A bit from the Boom Chicago show I saw in Amsterdam around 2004: “The Dutch expression ‘bite the sour apple’ means the same thing as ‘bite the bullet’ - Americans are obsessed with guns, and the Netherlands is full of shitty food.”

Weird... As another commenter pointed out, the origin of 'bite the bullet' is not American at all. And 'biting the sour apple' doesn't imply an affinity for bad food (Apples are shitty? Really?). It's a metaphor about context necessitating action, not a celebration of consuming unpleasant foods.

Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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Self-hosted full Atlassian stack (jira, confluence, bamboo, bitbucket) for 6+ years. ~200k tickets. To be honest, it just runs with minimal issues. Mostly downtime is just upgrades. I can remember a few times we've had to add (JVM) memory as our usage increased. Not sure what we're going to do with the discontinuation of server product line. We self-host to keep source code, etc. more than one configuration mistake (…

We are in the same boat. We are looking at the cloud, but the migration tools are just a pain. I can migrate a project to the cloud from Jira, and it even gives me a report of workflow transitions I have to manualy update/change to fix, which is great. But then, there is no way to keep it in sync. I have to blow that project away in jira cloud, and migrate it again. So I Have to hard-cut over projects, on a system th…

Is there any way to migrate away from Jira, or is it full lock-in? I mean, is there any migration tool or service to Redmine, Gitlab, MantisBT, Trac or whatever?

I think one reason Atlassian was successful is that they always invested a lot of effort in building tools to migrate to their products from any of their competitors (obviously not the other way around).

Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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If technical competency had any bearing on stock prices they should've been at 0 since long ago. Their stock price is tied to the amount of clueless/shitty companies that will still cling onto their products regardless of what happens, and I don't think this incident is going to change much.

Honest question: Since Trello is part of Atlassian aswell - what are good, reliable and above all lightweight alternatives for managing projects without the “pseudo-agile” rabbit holes of functionality?

You can use one any of the good old [issue tracking systems](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_s...). AFAIK, Trac and Redmine are quite easy to run self-hosted, as long as you don't need to handle public projects (and therefore spam management).

Realistically, though, you're more likely to be able to convince other project members to use the issue tracker of whatever forge they're comfortable with, for instance Gitlab, Gitea, Pagure or Sourcehut.

Re: Atlassian: We estimate the rebuilding effort to last for up to 2 more weeks

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I agree that data must never be "deleted and forever gone" unless you've already been very sure about it a few time. But I would like to warn people about certain implementations of database "soft deletes" that I'm not a fan of. To be clear, I'm talking about the idea of having a "deleted" and/or a "date_deleted" column and using those columns in the WHERE clause to filter out rows that shouldn't be visible. That pat…

A "deleted" field type deletion is also how you get a massive fine from a GDPR agency when they find out that you're not actually deleting PII properly.

I don't see how moving it to another table is any way different from that perspective.
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