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Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by pandemicsoul »

m0llusk wrote: post #445
Gigachad wrote: post #25

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I wish we would take car caused health impacts as serious as we did covid. We have a never ending stream of research and yet no one cares. We can’t even take action against modded motorbikes and cars which damage peoples health for zero functional gain.

And there have been proposals to make electric cars produce engine noises for safety. It makes sense to consider this, but making loud warning noises seems like a huge problem. This also comes up with back up beepers and garage exit activity warning buzzers.

God that shit infuriates me. I used to live downtown in a city and only realized after moving into my apartment that I was close enough to hear a crosswalk beeper nearby. Now, I know that it needs to be there for blind accessibility, but I'll never understand why it needed to beep EVERY cycle (basically every minute it would beep for 30 seconds) instead of just when someone pushed the button. It's like, how did no one who set this thing up think about all the people living nearby who'd have to listen to this incessant beeping from 6am to 10pm???

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

ihateolives wrote: post #300
dunefox wrote: post #283

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Those still produce noise when you press the keys. Source: a friend can't practice after 8 because it bothers his downstairs neighbours.

Whoa. That building must be paper thin then. I know they produce sound (we had one), but that's still worlds apart from having someone practice a piece way over their heads days on end.

Yeah, that building must be absolutely terrible. I have a shared wall with a neighbor who has a baby grand piano and can only barely hear it from right next to the wall.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by homonculus1 »

bittercynic wrote: post #484
spacexsucks wrote: post #476

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I feel so much relaxed cranking up the volume when i need to once in a while and not get complaints, which are fair, but i get home from work after 9. And you got ta sleep but i gotta wind down. Counter, i dont want the noise from upstairs doing god knows what. I moved out to detached and the only noise is the leaf blowers and occassional traffic

Ya, I forgot about that! It's great to be able to turn up the music without bothering anyone. In the apartments I couldn't really listen to music loud enough to fully enjoy it, but in the house I've tried turning it up to the highest volume I like to listen and went outside to check - I could hardly hear it 10 feet outside, and the neighbors are a bit farther than that. It's hard to overstate how beneficial it is to…

Having your own space that doesn't overlap with complete strangers is just essential to a life of dignity. Mankind wasn't made to live in a hive.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by kaybe »

exikyut wrote: post #135
bogota wrote: post #84

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They may be louder but do you have a dump truck waking you up at 4am several times a week? I really don’t know what to do anymore. Obviously they need to pick up trash that early to beat the traffic and save a few bucks /s. But the city doesn’t care and I’m constantly told that condos/apartments are a more sustainable way of living. Thats great but I’m about done with this nonsense and about to move out to the burbs…

"Normal" suggestions: earmuffs or earplugs; soundproof your bedroom (IIUC certain types of window roller shutters can mitigate noise); move :/ Insane suggestion: record the dump trucks every night (using good microphones - maybe even hire some), build up a compendium of recordings, get a really good speaker and amp setup (absolutely no buzzing/hissing/hum etc), then play the recordings in a loop progressively increas…

Sounds like the expensive sound setup should be used to do active noise cancelling around the head part of the bed.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by jeffbee »

Reason077 wrote: post #480
jeffbee wrote: post #58

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The horn on automobiles should be mounted inside the cabin. They can make it as loud as they need to make it, but the person who hears it the loudest should be the driver.

I've often thought this should apply to motorcycles too. Motorcycle helmets would have speakers installed inside, wirelessly connected to the bike so that it produces realistic motorcycle sound effects when you operate the throttle. This way, motorcycle enthusiasts could have all of their "loud pipe" thrills while riding a clean, silent electric motorcycle and not disturbing their neighbors! For even more realism, vi…

You joke, but they do this in cars.

https://motorandwheels.com/cars-with-active-sound-design/

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by nradov »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #451
nradov wrote: post #398

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How did landscape maintenance workers perform that task before leaf blowers?

They didn't. The standards to which we maintained things were far, far lower in the past because doing so was much more laborious and therefore expensive.

It works seem that those lower standards have no significant adverse effect. They only impact trivial stuff like aesthetics.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

nradov wrote: post #496
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #451

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They didn't. The standards to which we maintained things were far, far lower in the past because doing so was much more laborious and therefore expensive.

It works seem that those lower standards have no significant adverse effect. They only impact trivial stuff like aesthetics.

You couldn't slip on wet leaves and expect to sue the property owner back then.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by quadrangle »

sarchertech wrote: post #143
quadrangle wrote: post #136

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Cities aren't loud, cars (and trucks) are loud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8 Video discusses this thoroughly. There ARE quiet cities amazingly enough. And suburbs are a HUGE source of the noise IN the cities they surround because it's the car traffic from suburbs into the cities that makes much of the noise. Cities ARE loud, but they don't HAVE to be.

Sure, but neither do suburbs. You could mandate everyone drive electric vehicles with tires optimized for low road noise.

Well, given that the whole suburban sprawl style is also financially reckless and unsustainable, the answer is to get rid of car-dependent style of development and life entirely, not just tweak it by going for electric cars.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by quadrangle »

goodpoint wrote: post #429
bogomipz wrote: post #147

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How about the non-stop construction and non-stop road work? How about clubs and bars with outdoor speakers? Helicopters, industrial cooling/HVAC. I could go on. It's far more than just cars. What are these quiet cities that magically have none of these things?

> What are these quiet cities that magically have none of these things? There is no magic, just legal regulation and it just works. Switzerland and Japan are good examples.

As the video I posted mentions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8

The Dutch city of Delft in particular is just intentionally designed to care about noise. Both design and regulations. Turns out that when you simply prioritize reducing noise, it's actually doable. And it's still a city, albeit a modest-sized small city, not a major regional hub or a global-level metropolis. But the lessons can be applied anywhere.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by ryukafalz »

bittercynic wrote: post #488
spixy wrote: post #485

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From provided links, 33% of US population is exposed to >70 dBA whereas only 20% of EU population is exposed to >65 dBA noises, and US average density Like subways in cities, it makes zero noise but it needs population density. And more bikepaths, more walkable streets, less car lanes.

I agree with you, but as an individual I don't have the power to make that change.

As individuals we typically don’t have the power to make housing denser either. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t push for both that and noise reduction at the same time.
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