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Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by xattt »

Centigonal wrote: post #420
bogomipz wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I apologize if this is a silly question but is that currently mandated or is this something that will likely be mandated when the EVs become dominant? My impression was that they are currently relatively silent but that might just because they are always in proximity to a combustion engine idling next to them.

Currently mandated - newer electric cars make this noise that I would put somewhere between "future theremin"[1] and "terrifying alien chorus."[2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qe1wuDsXVk [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvX7NnlhiOE Bonus: Kia's sounds like an ambient synth track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdZwVJPN0Ow

There are electric school buses in my area that emit the sound of the Montreal Metro when driving at low speeds:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu_1JM_UiuA

This is because the manufacturer is based in Quebec.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by adamrezich »

grapeskin wrote: post #77
tayo42 wrote: post #27

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I had this "conversation" with my neighbor (it was more like me being yelled at) It kind of blew my mind they didnt care about noise interruptions at all hours and told me its my problem. Like maybe if you got a full night of sleep you wouldn't be so angry? I guess this study supports that. The noise in my current apartment is endless, car alarms, screaming and crying kids along with their loud toys, idling cars, the…

The absolute best thing about leaving the US several years ago is the silence. I can go to bed every night knowing some random guy won't decide 3 AM on a Wednesday morning is the best day to crank up the bass to max and start a party. I can sleep knowing some old guy isn't going to compensate for his masculinity by revving up his modded motorcycle at 4:30 AM everyday. I can sleep knowing people aren't going to start…

there's lots of places in the US where this doesn't happen. majority of the country, in fact

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by bittercynic »

spacexsucks wrote: post #476
bittercynic wrote: post #470

This is one of the top reasons for preferring single-family detached housing. I lived in apartments for many years, and when I moved to a house I felt like I could finally relax for the first time in years . For the people advocating for high density housing to alleviate suburban sprawl and all of its environmental problems, I do appreciate the importance of that, but if I can avoid living in an apartment again I am…

I feel so much relaxed cranking up the volume when i need to once in a while and not get complaints, which are fair, but i get home from work after 9. And you got ta sleep but i gotta wind down. Counter, i dont want the noise from upstairs doing god knows what. I moved out to detached and the only noise is the leaf blowers and occassional traffic

Ya, I forgot about that! It's great to be able to turn up the music without bothering anyone. In the apartments I couldn't really listen to music loud enough to fully enjoy it, but in the house I've tried turning it up to the highest volume I like to listen and went outside to check - I could hardly hear it 10 feet outside, and the neighbors are a bit farther than that.

It's hard to overstate how beneficial it is to have a little space.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by spixy »

bittercynic wrote: post #470

This is one of the top reasons for preferring single-family detached housing. I lived in apartments for many years, and when I moved to a house I felt like I could finally relax for the first time in years . For the people advocating for high density housing to alleviate suburban sprawl and all of its environmental problems, I do appreciate the importance of that, but if I can avoid living in an apartment again I am…

From provided links, 33% of US population is exposed to >70 dBA whereas only 20% of EU population is exposed to >65 dBA noises, and US average density Like subways in cities, it makes zero noise but it needs population density.

And more bikepaths, more walkable streets, less car lanes.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by cameronh90 »

globular-toast wrote: post #297
cameronh90 wrote: post #19

I haven't read the underlying studies but I wonder if this applies to consistent noise or just intermittent sounds, like the airplanes and railway line examples they focus on. Personally I can't sleep in a quiet room, so I put on white noise generator plus usually music or podcasts. I find that subjectively I sleep better with some relaxing sounds. However, it could be possible that my brain isn't properly turning of…

I thought I couldn't sleep in a quiet room. Then I moved somewhere that is actually completely quiet at night. It turns out I can sleep very well. I just never had a completely quiet room up until this point. White noise was the only option to drown out the intermittent sounds (mostly cars) throughout the night.

For me, if I go on holiday into the countryside, I basically can't sleep unless I put something on. I can hear all my random body noises, creaks, leaves, whatever else.

Obviously that isn't complete silence, but apparently complete silence (as in, an anechoic chamber) is a horrible experience.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by cameronh90 »

powersnail wrote: post #95
cameronh90 wrote: post #19

I haven't read the underlying studies but I wonder if this applies to consistent noise or just intermittent sounds, like the airplanes and railway line examples they focus on. Personally I can't sleep in a quiet room, so I put on white noise generator plus usually music or podcasts. I find that subjectively I sleep better with some relaxing sounds. However, it could be possible that my brain isn't properly turning of…

I think it depends on how loud the noise is. I live in an apartment where 2 out of 5 days, someone steam wash their carpet, which means a van would park outside the building, making a loud, constant, humming noise for an hour. I can't nap to it; I can't work with it; it's as disruptive as leaf blowers and explosive-driven motorcycles. At some volume, we just don't adapt to it anymore.

I'm not sure where you live but I found when I traveled to the USA, I was appalled at the level of noise disturbances you put up with.

For reference, I live on one of the busiest roads in London, so I'm not particularly noise sensitive. But in the USA, it was just constant sound everywhere I went. Cars honking when unlocked, multiple sirens within earshot most of the time I was in any large city, people leaving their cars to "warm up" on their driveway, leaf blowers, shouting. It's constant, all hours of the night.

In London, we still very much aren't a 24/7 city. At around 11pm the traffic really dies off and most people are on their way to bed. You still get the odd lorry or ambulance, but even ambulances don't run their siren unless necessary.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by bittercynic »

spixy wrote: post #485
bittercynic wrote: post #470

This is one of the top reasons for preferring single-family detached housing. I lived in apartments for many years, and when I moved to a house I felt like I could finally relax for the first time in years . For the people advocating for high density housing to alleviate suburban sprawl and all of its environmental problems, I do appreciate the importance of that, but if I can avoid living in an apartment again I am…

From provided links, 33% of US population is exposed to >70 dBA whereas only 20% of EU population is exposed to >65 dBA noises, and US average density Like subways in cities, it makes zero noise but it needs population density. And more bikepaths, more walkable streets, less car lanes.

I agree with you, but as an individual I don't have the power to make that change.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by pandemicsoul »

spacemadness wrote: post #418
throw__away7391 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because almost all the noise in the modern world is caused by cars and motorcycles, and in the United States are prioritized over all other life forms.

And this is one of the major reasons I’m hopeful for electric cars.

People will still be hobbyists with loud cars and motorcycles, though (at least in the US). We literally just need to legislate a package of laws that says people can't make loud noise with their vehicle, repeated offenses result in the vehicle being taken away, and anyone that modifies vehicles to make loud noise will be fined heavily.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by tehnub »

bittercynic wrote: post #470

This is one of the top reasons for preferring single-family detached housing. I lived in apartments for many years, and when I moved to a house I felt like I could finally relax for the first time in years . For the people advocating for high density housing to alleviate suburban sprawl and all of its environmental problems, I do appreciate the importance of that, but if I can avoid living in an apartment again I am…

Maybe we need to build more apartments to the passive house standard https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/24/passive-...
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