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Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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Analog photography is quite amazing but, at least, in 35mm world it's not because of the resulting images but more in the cameras. Old, mechanical film cameras are much more pleasant to use for me. And before someone says that camera doesn't matter - it sure does. A camera that you like to use will be used more so you will end up "doing more photography". I also love black and white films. I've not tried monochrome d…

Oh that's a pretty interesting blog, I do want to try some analog IR photography in the future. Seems like there's even some color IR film that produces quite amazing results but it's quite expensive.

Thanks! Infrared is very interesting. I recently got a digital infrared converted camera but haven't had too much time to use it. What I have shot with it has been cool.

Infrared on film is harder as it's difficult to judge how much infrared light is available. The focus point is also slightly off. Live view definitely helps in that regard.

I would recommend starting with infrared sensitive film ( e.g. Adox HR-50 ) and a red filter which will give infrared-ish results ( https://50mmf2.com/writings/adox-ir-hr-pro-50-film-review ). Since it sees visible light as well, it's easier to meter for and also focus.

Good luck!

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that's a pretty interesting blog, I do want to try some analog IR photography in the future. Seems like there's even some color IR film that produces quite amazing results but it's quite expensive.

Thanks! Infrared is very interesting. I recently got a digital infrared converted camera but haven't had too much time to use it. What I have shot with it has been cool. Infrared on film is harder as it's difficult to judge how much infrared light is available. The focus point is also slightly off. Live view definitely helps in that regard. I would recommend starting with infrared sensitive film ( e.g. Adox HR-50 ) a…

Finally a use for the IR distance offset thingies on the lenses :)

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #45

Well, back in the day, when California still had "extras" in public schools like photography with real 135 and 120 cameras complete with darkrooms, I learned photography "the hard way" like this and that included processing B&W film and printing it. There's a lot to be said for such a learning experience. Reading this article I decided to see how much a C41 color film (Kodacolor/Fujicolor) processing system sells for…

They are not expensive, but most good C41 processing systems are designed to be used at a certain rate and may not give you expected results if you are using them at home.

With your standard non-chromogenic process, you often mix up a fresh batch of developer and then then throw the developer out after using it. This gives you nice, consistent results in a home lab. The chromogenic chemistry (C-41, E-6) is usually designed for high-volume, and that means much less waste, but it also means that the chemistry will be go of spec if you don’t process enough film.

Basically, your chemicals are changing over time due to both natural aging processes (e.g. reacting with the oxygen in the air) and due to usage by processing film. If you don’t process enough film, the chemicals still react with air but aren’t being used to process much film.

The same applies to RA-4 color paper. Even a small college lab is unlikely to print enough photographs to keep the RA-4 chemistry within spec. And unfortunately, out-of-spec color chemistry means color shifts, which are hard to correct in a wet lab. It’s not like B&W wet labs where you can easily fix problems with printing technique.

There are alternative C-41 chemistry kits designed for home use. I don’t recommend them in general, because they are wasteful and very sensitive to temperature.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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To me this is the definitive ode to a past era (and talk about taking pictures the hard way). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AOlPuTQt-M Last chance to see. Long-outdated of a material we will never see again (barring a "Impossible Film Project" type revival.) I'm not happy to be aging, but I'm lucky that earlier in life I still experienced all that. Black & white developing, roll film in a medium format twin-lens r…

Luminance noise can be surprisingly pleasant on a full-frame sensor, although I still go out of my way to avoid it where possible - not hard lately as my full-frame body has been dedicated to macro, and macro wildlife photography already requires the kind of exuberant flash setup that makes noise very easy to avoid.

(For those interested: Nikon D850, Micro 105mm f/2.8 VR II, three SB-R200 heads on a forward ring with a wireless controller on the shoe. I usually shoot at 1/250. f/11, and "L1.0" ie ISO 50 equiv, with the flash set to make up exposure. It's a fairly complex rig, but very simple to use, to the point where I don't worry much about whether I'll get keepers when shooting wild wasps unless I'm right up at 1:1 and a 6" working distance.)

Right there with you on film versus digital. I get the nostalgia and I do still have Grandpa's Nikkormat FTn that I learned on as a kid, but I did shoot film as a kid and I'm not sorry to have moved to digital, not least because I'm certain I could not do the kind of work I do - chasing wild wasps around or finding places where they congregate, and shooting them as they go about their occasions undisturbed by me - without digital.

So far as I can tell, there aren't that many photographers out there who do that kind of work at all, and I refuse for both ethical and competitive reasons to join the ranks of those insect macro shooters who capture and kill their subjects - they certainly do produce beautiful images, but I don't respect the means by which they do so. Sure, I can't stack focus to get shots sharp all the way through, but so what? When you look at my work, you can do so in the knowledge that the trajectory of life out of which you're seeing that 4ms slice was in no way deflected by my efforts in documenting part of it - and I also have the satisfaction of knowing the same, as well as that I'm doing a kind of work that is in a lot of ways harder than theirs. Sure, you can screw up a stack and have to reshoot, but when your subject will never move again because you've killed it, all that costs you is time. Meanwhile, my dilettante ass is over here trying to capture moments that have never existed before and never will again, and sure, I don't always get them, but I do get them. [1]

I think that's worth more than all the perfect focus stacking in the world ever will be, and on film I can't imagine being able to work that way at all, because those wasps aren't waiting around for me and I wouldn't want them to. (Well, aside from the one time they got so used to seeing me by a caterpillar nest that they started using me as a waypoint on their route to it! That was oddly sweet to realize, but it was their choice, not mine, and I suppose that's the point.)

[1] https://aaron-m.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/DSC1220.jpg

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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The author talks about getting into medium-format photography. When shooting film, I usually shoot medium format and I’ve been shooting mostly medium-format for 15+ years. I have observations about what the author says about MF. > It seems like the vast majority of medium format cameras have fixed focus lenses though. This is the toy camera movement. Holga, Diana, Lomo, etc. The cameras might cost you $20 or less and…

> You might spend $1,500 for a used Hasselblad system.

I think you left off a zero at the end there. Either that, or maybe I need to go learn real quick how to snipe Ebay auctions...

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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The author talks about getting into medium-format photography. When shooting film, I usually shoot medium format and I’ve been shooting mostly medium-format for 15+ years. I have observations about what the author says about MF. > It seems like the vast majority of medium format cameras have fixed focus lenses though. This is the toy camera movement. Holga, Diana, Lomo, etc. The cameras might cost you $20 or less and…

Ah with the cheap medium format cameras I mean something like the Agfa Clack. Really cheap to get second hand but I don't see it producing decent quality pictures.

I did get an Epson V600 to do photo scanning, do you have any detail on why it would not produce good scans? I tested it with a few old 35mm negatives and it looked quite alright after disabling _all_ the postprocessing crap in the official software and loading it into darktable to do the negative processing.

Also thanks for the pointers on the medium format cameras. I guess I'll keep eying ebay for those cameras a bit longer.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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One thing that always jumps out to me with photos from "real" cameras is the colors and dynamic range. The film examples (particularly the chickens) have great color and range compared to what I'd expect from a cell phone. Even the Pixel 2 versus dslr. As I've been learning to shoot on a dslr I've been very impressed with how much modern smart phones are doing for you. Focus, sharpness, and exposure are usually very…

Negative film has a shockingly high dynamic range. It’s high enough that you can easily run into dynamic range limitations elsewhere in the system (e.g. lens, paper) before you run into the limitations of the film itself. TMX reportedly has a dynamic range of something like 20 stops in the laboratory (not that you’d be able to show off that range in a print).

The colors are a bit exaggerated in consumer film, like the Kodak Gold which the author is shooting. Kodak wants people to come back from vacation with nice, colorful pictures. You can get the same, vivid colors in digital, but I think most digital cameras (including phones) just default to a more naturalistic look—IMO, I am so happy with the default colors on most digital cameras, compared to the brighter color settings you’d get from consumer film. One of the big ways you get colors to pop in film is by adjusting the contrast. You’ll notice that film pays for that contrast and color with reduced detail in the shadows and often garish-looking skin tones.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #43

I have also been playing around with film photography. I am old enough to have actually developed film in college so it's not a new novelty for me. For whatever reason I got the idea into my head that I should get a medium format camera (perhaps it was the youtube influence). I've always wanted to play around with one of these cameras, so I dropped $350 on a Yashica Mat 124-G TLR camera. I wish I had done this years…

I think film prices have doubled or thereabouts in the past few years, this might be part of the global supply chain issues rather than a long-term condition (I hope).

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #6

A nit: "The larger the sensor the blurrier the background can be, and this also changes the distance at what you can make a picture of something and still have a blurry background." Blur is totally determined by optics and has no direct relationship to sensor / film area.

> Blur is totally determined by optics and has no direct relationship to sensor / film area.

You’re both correct—optics are constrained by sensor size, so while the amount of background defocus is determined directly by optics, it is determined indirectly by sensor size.

The amount of blur at infinity is proportional to the ratio of the aperture size (e.g. measured in mm) to the subject size (e.g. measured in mm). For a given lens design, the aperture size is proportional to the sensor size.

You do get higher aperture numbers for smaller sensors but we’re talking about a factor of, say, 2x weighed against much larger numbers. This is just because wide-open lenses are impractical to manufacture at larger sizes (weight goes up with the cube, after all).

I see phone cameras with lenses at like ƒ/2.2 or something thereabouts and it’s not radically different from what you’d see on larger cameras until you get to LF, but if you dive into vintage LF lenses you’ll see “barrel lenses” with crazy, like, ƒ/2 designs for shooting on LF film. These are not scaled-up versions of sensible, modern designs. Instead, they are really old designs, and they are not gonna be sharp.

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