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Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #6

A nit: "The larger the sensor the blurrier the background can be, and this also changes the distance at what you can make a picture of something and still have a blurry background." Blur is totally determined by optics and has no direct relationship to sensor / film area.

True, but phone cameras are really small. So the "infinity" distance happens much closer to the camera.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #6

A nit: "The larger the sensor the blurrier the background can be, and this also changes the distance at what you can make a picture of something and still have a blurry background." Blur is totally determined by optics and has no direct relationship to sensor / film area.

That seems an odd nit to pick - the choice of optics is intimately connected to the size of the sensor; plus it's not even right.

The size of the circle-of-confusion depends also on the degree of enlargement and viewing distance in the final product - i.e. what looks sharp when viewed at arm's length on a phone with a Retina display can look not-sharp when cropped and enlarged to 20x30 and seen up close.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #6

A nit: "The larger the sensor the blurrier the background can be, and this also changes the distance at what you can make a picture of something and still have a blurry background." Blur is totally determined by optics and has no direct relationship to sensor / film area.

One of the factors that influence depth-of-field is focal length. To get the same field-of-view with a small sensor / film area, the focal length needs to be smaller too, and hence the depth-of-field will be larger.

So yes, practically speaking, a camera with a much larger sensor / film area does allow you to take pictures with a much more narrow depth-of-field.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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One thing that always jumps out to me with photos from "real" cameras is the colors and dynamic range. The film examples (particularly the chickens) have great color and range compared to what I'd expect from a cell phone. Even the Pixel 2 versus dslr.

As I've been learning to shoot on a dslr I've been very impressed with how much modern smart phones are doing for you. Focus, sharpness, and exposure are usually very good with little to no effort.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #2

Funny to read someone discover analog film for the first time, when you grew up with it yourself. While I am happy I learned and practiced manual film development in the lab (bw only), I would not move back from my full frame DSLR anytime soon.

Agreed. I grew up on 35mm with a fully manual SLR too. But seeing someone discover it for the first time is exciting. But during the pandemic, I "rediscovered" film. Growing up, I just bought the cheapest drugstore film (Kodak Gold/Ultramax, and similar Fujis), then sent it off for developing - never giving it too much though.

During the pandemic, I went down the rabbit hole or learning all about film (history, chemistry, etc..), experimenting with the different stocks, developing it myself at home - both color C-14 and BW (moving onto E-6 & caffenol next!). Messing with creative effects (redscale, souping, deliberate ligh-leaks, double exposure, etc...)

What a wondrous, fun, and endless hobby to get into! I'm still just on 35mm, but hope to grow into 120 soon. That said, I also would not give up my modern ILCE mirrorless.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #3

Welcome to the wonderful world of film. I’ve shot almost entirely analog after a short foray trying digital in the late 2000s. With my life so digitally connected I found having the analog process kept the joy in photography for me and I simply love the slow process from making images down to the final print in the darkroom. At the end of the day I don’t want to dodge and burn in Lightroom, spending even more time in…

I completely agree. Some of my best parts of film photography was in the darkroom. It was one of the most calming and relaxing environments for me. It's magical to see an image slowly appear in a developer tray on the exposed paper.

I agree about the magic of an image appearing on the paper, but in other respects I was never keen on the darkroom itself - the smell of the fixer and the stop-bath, the darkness and the fact that the images I produced were never as good as I wanted them to be kind of put me off.

Still, it was fun, all in all. I've never found digital at all satisfying.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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One thing that always jumps out to me with photos from "real" cameras is the colors and dynamic range. The film examples (particularly the chickens) have great color and range compared to what I'd expect from a cell phone. Even the Pixel 2 versus dslr. As I've been learning to shoot on a dslr I've been very impressed with how much modern smart phones are doing for you. Focus, sharpness, and exposure are usually very…

One thing that people tend to like about film is "highlight rolloff" - or the gradient describing how highlights become over-exposed. In digital cameras this can end up being a harsh clipping of data, but with film, it's usually a softer more pleasing transition.

This is one reason why fancy digital cameras prefer to shoot in raw and log color spaces to help preserve the color data to grade that transition

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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One thing that always jumps out to me with photos from "real" cameras is the colors and dynamic range. The film examples (particularly the chickens) have great color and range compared to what I'd expect from a cell phone. Even the Pixel 2 versus dslr. As I've been learning to shoot on a dslr I've been very impressed with how much modern smart phones are doing for you. Focus, sharpness, and exposure are usually very…

How did you determine the pictures he took have a high dynamic range?

I looked at those pictures and had the opposite feeling.

I was surprised how bad they are from a pure quality aspect.

I assume the jpeg and scanning is a very hard limiting factor.

I can get a lot of range when shooting raw with my canon 80d.

Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #6

A nit: "The larger the sensor the blurrier the background can be, and this also changes the distance at what you can make a picture of something and still have a blurry background." Blur is totally determined by optics and has no direct relationship to sensor / film area.

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Re: Taking Pictures the Hard Way

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post #6

A nit: "The larger the sensor the blurrier the background can be, and this also changes the distance at what you can make a picture of something and still have a blurry background." Blur is totally determined by optics and has no direct relationship to sensor / film area.

That seems an odd nit to pick - the choice of optics is intimately connected to the size of the sensor; plus it's not even right. The size of the circle-of-confusion depends also on the degree of enlargement and viewing distance in the final product - i.e. what looks sharp when viewed at arm's length on a phone with a Retina display can look not-sharp when cropped and enlarged to 20x30 and seen up close.

Honestly this is one of the HN top-voted comment archetypes: Nitpick which is technically correct in some limited form, but actually completely useless.
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