During the Facebook hearing, they said that its internal data shows that Facebook is most harmful for 14 year old girls. I believe that if you can somehow shield your daughter of that age from social media, she will be fine. I had a no display rule for our toddler but during my absence, her mother introduced her to the iPad, and now she watches YouTube on it whenever I’m not around. I know that the American Pediatric…
I decided to move away from big tech for my children and myself
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Re: I decided to move away from big tech for my children and myself
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's possible to walk a middle road here. My 11-y.o. daughter has a smartphone, but I use parental controls so she can only use apps for a certain amount of time each day (I chose 1 hr on weekdays, 2 hrs on weekends). This makes it possible for her to engage with her peers online, but also protected from becoming totally addicted.
Yea. This is something I have thought about, but the wife and I have decided to just wait and see how the middle school years go. I imagine it is going to probably become amplified. It is interesting to think about how we understand social things for our kids. When I grew up the only social time I had was when I actually hung out with my friends. We didn't have internet until I was around 16ish. The only social aspec…
I have a 14 year-old and we have zero blocks on anything. Our logic was that a) kids have far more time to get around restrictions than I have to maintain them, and b) it only takes one friend without such limitations to make any protections moot. I'd much rather see what he's up to and focus on critical interventions than micromanaging everything he's doing.
What we do have is tracking and reporting (he gets the emails, too) and a policy of mom and dad have full access to devices at any time, and the computer is used only with the door open. We've also focused on etiquette, such as putting the phone down when someone is talking to you. Finally, homework, study, and family times are "quiet" times with no devices. We make sure that applies to mom & dad, too.
So far, it has worked well, mostly because we've worked very hard to be consistent with how we apply the rules. We're also very vigilant for any warning signs like obsession, etc. I also talk to him about things he wants to buy for games, etc., including discussing how the games are designed to put you into a loop to buy rewards. Usually I say to defer a couple days and ask if it's really worth it. He pays with his own money and we track purchases. Tracking has helped him really understand how much money _could_ be spent, and made him think hard about whether the purchase was worth it. When questionable behavior occurs, we make it a discussion and not a lecture.
Re: I decided to move away from big tech for my children and myself
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's possible to walk a middle road here. My 11-y.o. daughter has a smartphone, but I use parental controls so she can only use apps for a certain amount of time each day (I chose 1 hr on weekdays, 2 hrs on weekends). This makes it possible for her to engage with her peers online, but also protected from becoming totally addicted.
Yea. This is something I have thought about, but the wife and I have decided to just wait and see how the middle school years go. I imagine it is going to probably become amplified. It is interesting to think about how we understand social things for our kids. When I grew up the only social time I had was when I actually hung out with my friends. We didn't have internet until I was around 16ish. The only social aspec…
>I'm not sure if this is good or bad.
I used to be convinced it was because of my age, but the more I interact with kids, the more I am convinced that I am right. It is bad, with almost no good in return.
The pressure today's children live under is absolutely incredible. They are expected to be available 24/7. EVERY mistake they make could be recorded and shared forever. Literally everything they do is scrutinized, and if it's dorky or funny looking or weird, they absolutely will be bullied for it. . . and can never escape because it's 24/7 now.
The world for children is terrifying.
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#234I realized that if I am to protect my child from smartphone addiction, I need to start with myself and that is the hardest part really. So far I try not to use it in their presence and if it appears, we speak of it as "the monolith". The monolith is mysterious, but ultimately it's just a slab of glass. Less interesting than e.g. musical toys. Also you can't take the monolith to the pool, which happens to be our weekl…
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It is freeloading on any general improvements in wealth that society gains due to anything the almost ubiquitous usage of cell phones makes more efficient. Lets make a specific example: lets say in 2028, 98% of pizzas are ordered via clicking on a phone app. Over at the pizza place, nobody is on the phone full time, just to punch phone orders into the computer system. As a result, pizza places run with 1 less full ti…
thank you, those examples are very helpful to show what you mean. now my argument is that i don't see this as a bad thing. yes, maybe some people get an advantage here without contributing themselves, but the alternative is that we stop improving our lives for fear that someone might get a better life without contributing themselves. that kind of thinking seems to be very common in the US and it prevents a lot of pot…
but that ends up arguing against diversity. what we are missing is that the cellphone refusers are developing or keeping alive alternative ways to communicate, and who knows when we'll need those. we don't actually want 100% adoption of every technology. we need that diversity and room for new technologies to replace old ones.
the amish may refuse cellphones, but maybe their refusal opens the door for new communication tools that are in line with amish ideals that end up improving the life of anyone else who adopts those new tools.
and those people who still use phone calls to order pizza, well, they happen to make sure that phone ordering keeps working with the real beneficiary being that blind or handicapped person that has trouble navigating the pizza app.
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> I spent most of my childhood straight-edge and was thus cast out by peers for not joining them in their nonstop sex, alcohol, and drug addictions, and not being interested in sports. That's a false dichotomy - you posit that those things are the only alternatives, which is incorrect. I never did non-stop sex, drugs and alcohol (and ignored sports) in school, and yet I was part of a number of different social groupi…
> [...] and yet I was part of a number of different social groupings in school. While I share your objection on GP commenter's false dichotomy (though honesty who knows, maybe their high school was a real life enactment of Skins !) and their apparently judgemental attitude towards their peers, let's not forget that they also said they connected with: >> The computer nerds, the anime nerds, the hobbyists, the actors,…
I went to an American high school in the early 2000s and was also puzzled by the fictional divisions. A huge portion of the band was also in the football team; our half-time field show was full of dudes in their football uniforms.
The only people who tried to create those sort of divides were a couple music kids who maybe watched too many 80s teen movies or MTV shows.
Re: I decided to move away from big tech for my children and myself
#237The biggest perk of living somewhere where cellphone service is spotty as hell is that you don't rely on having service.
Re: I decided to move away from big tech for my children and myself
#238Now that's a sign of good parenting. Often times parents will lose sight of the fact that their kids are people too. Their brains and personalities aren't really developed enough yet to cope with certain things, so it's easy for adults to dismiss the potential for learning they do have. Children are like sponges that absorb any information you put in front of them. If you don't parent them, the internet will.
I strongly recommend sitting them down and calmly telling them all of the reasons, in detail, why they shouldn't want an electronic tracking device and why you're making this decision for them. Children are pretty smart and they'll probably understand most of it.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one has ever accused me of being a technophobe. I run a security and privacy consulting company counting some of the world's largest companies as clients. I have many friends at FAANG and have had engless direct and indirect dealings with data privacy and data breaches at major companies. I am also the guy that will teach their kids to program, and to solder. When I am -also- the one to say I don't carry a smartph…
Yeah, I don't want to pick on OP, but i's disappointing to see how even in a forum called "Hacker News" the prevailing mentality is of apathy and/or conformism. It's almost like all the talk about of "it's cool to be a nerd" and "we need to have more room for different voices" is just corporate-washed propaganda and not the real values of this generation...
Re: I decided to move away from big tech for my children and myself
#240The main point to remember is that the fones we carry aren't for us. They are data-gathering tools for various spy enterprises. Any utility we get out of our fones is largely incidental, or at best it's bait to get us into the trap. It's interesting that most of the replies here focus on the children aspect, while the same spy-device paradigm applies as much or more to adults. The bottom line is I just don't get enou…
Windows users are also suffering a similar problem because of the smartphonisation of the desktop (side note, I hate that people still use that meme about "one version of Windows is bad and the next one is good". W10 still has most of the problems of W8, and some of them are even worse. I don't think we're ever going to get a "good" Windows ever again). We need to choose between being able to run old, trusty software or being actually in control of our computer (in terms of privacy, updates and so on). Then again I suspect that I have only a few months left of personal Windows usage.