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Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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We are all unwilling testers of every new teenage driver who hits the road.

A teenage driver can lose its licence. What happens with an AI in this case? Can Cruise lose its licence ?

Who gets a license, though? Cruise, the company? The currently deployed algorithm? Each car w/ the software?

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

Many EU countries (especially those on the North) mandate them to be ON at all times when car is moving. The cars sold in those regions have light switch on Auto by default, which you can manually override in both directions.

I believe that (having headlights on) was locally required before Daytime Running Lights (DRL) became mandatory in the EU some twelve years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime_running_lamp

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Alright but again, the anecdote of "This one time in Arkansas" can't reasonably be used as a justification for stating "All police are bad and out of control all over the country"

The statement there isn't "All police are bad and out of control all over the country" but rather whether you should perceive that possibility as threatening enough to seriously affect your possible actions i.e. whether stopping in a non-dangerous place (as opposed to stopping immediately and staying put) is permissible. And if there's a 1-in-100 chance of a police being unreasonable, then that definitely is a too hi…

That's fair, I just pulled that number from thin air to try and portray my point. The actual crime stats in the US is 47.7 per 100,000. Unless there's hard evidence to the contrary, it can be assumed that those number also apply roughly to police.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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There is no such thing as "US" driving test standards. Each state has its own requirements. Some are quite weak, and some are very vigorous: For instance, Maryland driving licenses are accepted 1:1 as equivalent to the German driving license, you can exchange them without an exam or test. NY and CA... do not simply transfer.

When I got my license I was advised to do it in nearby Kentucky, since they didnt have a driving portion of the test at all, all you had to do was a written quiz

When was that? KY requires a road test now. Also, it requires you to prove KY residency. I'm surprised people were able to get KY licenses without being residents before.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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I grew up in the late 90s in NYC, and spent a lot of time hanging out "on the streets". I think on average, I saw an act of gross police misbehavior about once a month. Sometimes it was quite savage. Always racist. I'm white, but many of my friends weren't. 20 years later I still have intrusive memories of standing by helplessly while terrible things were said and done to my not-white friends, and I still have violen…

I don't doubt your experience but let's not pretend that there haven't been any changes in the past 2 decades.

What makes you so sure? Even if there's data showing improvement, this would be data from a supremely untrustworthy source with a long history of manipulation and deception.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

I'm also not sure why this is a thing. With all of the various sensors, etc. in cars, there's safeguards to prevent me from typing an address in the GPS while moving, so why can't there be something that turns your headlights on while driving at night above a certain speed.

On Saturday, I drove from NJ to MA and saw 3 vehicles on the highway at night with only daytime running lamps, and one with no lights on whatsoever.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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post #179

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We are all unwilling testers of every new teenage driver who hits the road.

Depends on the country, but here teenagers are drilled so much during their L phase and on the cars with a manual transmission, so they are probably the safest drivers on the road.

The teenager's ability to drive safely isn't just a mechanical ability of driving a car or of just being aware of the laws/rules. Safe driving comes from years of experience on being able to decide how long it will take to stop at certain speeds in certain conditions. Being able to recognize their car's brakes are a little soft and might not stop on a dime any more. Being able to recognize that the driver in front of them is potentially impaired, so best give them some space.

There are plenty of things that come with experience vs book learning that makes a safer driver. A freshly licensed teen comes with none of that. They also have the natural tendency of having high risk tolerance which makes decision making different than an older/exeprienced driver that is more risk averse.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

Headlights do burn out. I'd rather not pay $1,000-$2,000 to replace my headlights since they are LED built into the headlight. I'd much rather have auto headlights be mandated. Even that can be a pain in the ass if you have HID bulbs and travel in areas where they turn on and off often reducing the life of them. https://www.hondapartsnow.com/parts-list/2021-honda-accord--...

Automotive LEDs made by an OEM should not burn out for the life of the vehicle.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

I'm also not sure why this is a thing. With all of the various sensors, etc. in cars, there's safeguards to prevent me from typing an address in the GPS while moving, so why can't there be something that turns your headlights on while driving at night above a certain speed. On Saturday, I drove from NJ to MA and saw 3 vehicles on the highway at night with only daytime running lamps, and one with no lights on whatsoev…

I haven't driven a modern car in a decade or more that didn't have light sensors in the dashboard to know when to automatically turn on lights. They even turn them on when the wipers are engaged. Everytime you go through a tunnel you'll see headlights pop on automatically. My 2009 BMW is the oldest car I have that has auto lights, but it doesn't have wiper sensors.

Older cars? Of course not.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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The best description is on the first result from search: > Police cars are called cruisers because that is what they do. They cruise about town, looking for trouble , and responding to those requiring assistance. Doubt the original poster meant any irony there, but... Still, Webster: > cruiser, noun: > 1 : a vehicle that _cruises_: such as > a : squad car > cruise, verb: > 1 : to sail about touching at a series of po…

> In my native one the term 'cruise' is restricted only for sail Do you not used a cognate word for "Cruise control" in your language? In Hebrew "Shait" is used for sail, but also for the idea of cruise control and a cruise missile. I cannot think of any other uses, not even for patrol vehicles.

> Do you not used a cognate word for "Cruise control" in your language?

It is a literal copy from English here. ESC/ESP and ABS are used or abbreviations or as a full text ones, but they map 1:1 to both English and abbreviated counterparts.

For what it worth I checked how the article "cruise missile" is called in other languages in Wikipedia (well at least ones I could tell).

Most European languages uses a some variation of "cruise", while some European and Slavic languages uses "winged" or even "maneuverable" (Polish). There is a slight correlation between a sea-faring countries and a former Warsaw Pact ones.

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