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Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by brianwawok »

eps wrote: post #179
xadhominemx wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are all unwilling testers of every new teenage driver who hits the road.

Depends on the country, but here teenagers are drilled so much during their L phase and on the cars with a manual transmission, so they are probably the safest drivers on the road.

Not true at all in the US. (And no, kids don't learn the manual because no one uses manuals in the US)

https://aaafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/aaa_fig...

Teens are roughly 3x worse than a 20 year old, and 10x worse than a 50 year old.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by yawnr »

eps wrote: post #179
xadhominemx wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are all unwilling testers of every new teenage driver who hits the road.

Depends on the country, but here teenagers are drilled so much during their L phase and on the cars with a manual transmission, so they are probably the safest drivers on the road.

Yeah definitely not the case in the US. The New Jersey driver’s test consisted of a single stop sign and a parallel parking test.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by MathCodeLove »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #174
MathCodeLove wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's extremely clear that I'm not trying to portray that exact number as a fact and more as a general portrayment of "most police officers are good, just as most people are good"

> I think it's extremely clear that I'm not trying to portray that exact number as a fact and more as a general portrayment of "most police officers are good, just as most people are good" That sounds about as useful as the anecdotes in this thread. Police aren't a random sample of the population after all. Even if it's true that most people are good, that doesn't imply most police are.

Alright sure, I guess so. Neither of us have any hard data to back up our opinion so I guess it turns into a debate of feelings, which will lead neither of us anywhere.

What I do know is that as of May 2021 there were 665,380 police officer employed in the US, and trying to generalize all of them in any way based on a few highly edited videos is absolutely not a valid approach given the standard practices in data science and statistics. Given that the US generalized crime rate is 47.70 per 100,000 it's reasonable to argue that unless there is evidence showing otherwise, police officers also fit roughly into that same distribution and therefore would be "mostly good" (as defined by law), as most people are.

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes333051.htm

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by aivisol »

IgorPartola wrote: post #88

Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

Many EU countries (especially those on the North) mandate them to be ON at all times when car is moving. The cars sold in those regions have light switch on Auto by default, which you can manually override in both directions.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by PeterisP »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #153
sseagull wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally am in agreement. However there's a complication in my mind. My dad was a police officer and I grew up around police. It's there's one thing to know about police, it is that they are human, and subject to all the emotions, inconsistencies, and foibles as other humans. However, they are given an extraordinary amount of power, with very little accountability. Think about what it would take for a regular pers…

Alright but again, the anecdote of "This one time in Arkansas" can't reasonably be used as a justification for stating "All police are bad and out of control all over the country"

The statement there isn't "All police are bad and out of control all over the country" but rather whether you should perceive that possibility as threatening enough to seriously affect your possible actions i.e. whether stopping in a non-dangerous place (as opposed to stopping immediately and staying put) is permissible. And if there's a 1-in-100 chance of a police being unreasonable, then that definitely is a too high of risk.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by svet_0 »

jwr wrote: post #72

I am really worried by the fact that I am the unwilling tester in the Great Driverless Car Experiment. Tradition has it that when you load-test a new bridge, you put the architect underneath. I feel like this, except I didn't design those driverless cars, somebody else did. Being an experienced software engineer, my trust in the software in these cars is pretty low. And yet they are testing them on me, because I can…

Autonomous cars are already safer than human drivers. Not as featureful or accurate, but safer.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by mhh__ »

dgfitz wrote: post #120
Kye wrote: post #118

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A teenager is worried about: getting killed, killing someone else, hurting someone, wrecking their parents' car, losing their permit. I don't trust engineers working on the models that drive these cars to teach a computer the difference between a human and an open road. A teenager can discern these with no effort. I trust a teenager to care about not hitting me and try their best, and to choose a ditch over hitting s…

*A teenager is worried about only about themselves and their immediate happiness

I think you'd be immediately unhappy if you crashed your parents car

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by post_break »

IgorPartola wrote: post #88

Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

Headlights do burn out. I'd rather not pay $1,000-$2,000 to replace my headlights since they are LED built into the headlight. I'd much rather have auto headlights be mandated. Even that can be a pain in the ass if you have HID bulbs and travel in areas where they turn on and off often reducing the life of them.

https://www.hondapartsnow.com/parts-list/2021-honda-accord--...

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Post by FabHK »

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #105
hakuseki wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and that's why suspending the one car might seem counterintuitive. But that doesn't mean it's a bad solution.

Can we have lawn darts back if we suspend the darts that maim or kill?

Just sell guns without any controls whatsoever, and if a gun is used to shoot someone, impound that gun. Problem solved. Right?
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