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FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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Post by throwaway040922 »

Bilal_io wrote: post #207
throwaway040922 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duncan Lemp was white, and was similarly awoken in the middle of the night by police, reached for a gun, and was shot dead (unlike Locke, I don't think he even pointed the gun at them). It actually happened the day before the Breonna Taylor shooting (another similar situation), but received almost no media attention. Even around the area where Duncan Lemp was killed, you will find a lot of posters for Breonna Taylor,…

I believe Duncan Lemp should have received the media attention he deserves. That being said: 1- You said "This kind of violence affects everyone" and this is disingenuous when we look at the ratio of black vs white being murdered by police. [1] 2- The media attention Breonna et al. received was not about the individuals but for the community in general due to my previous point. [1] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pn…

> You said "This kind of violence affects everyone" and this is disingenuous when we look at the ratio of black vs white being murdered by police.

If you want to argue that this kind of violence affects certain races more, that's fine. But why downplay the fact that it affects all races? The percentages are higher for Black Americans, but White Americans still make up the majority of people shot by police[1]. If people actually cared about creating a broad coalition to address this, they would want to highlight both facts, not hide the latter fact.

You actually see the a similar attitude when racists attack social programs. If members of a minority group are more likely to benefit from a program, they treat it as a program for minorities, even if the majority of beneficiaries are non-minorities.

It's also interesting to see how people divide the demographic information. If you look at the breakdown by sex, you'll find that the divide between men and women when when it comes to these shootings is much, much greater than the divide between races. Yet the latter is talked about a lot all over the media, and while I don't think I've ever seen the latter treated as an issue. My guess is that we'd also see another large divide if we divided the numbers by wealth (and this article is a good example of that).

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...

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Post by mangoTangoBango »

lostlogin wrote: post #57
mangoTangoBango wrote: post #26

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US aid is huge and vastly exceeds other countries. As a percentage of GDP or when divided by head of population, its rather less impressive than what other places achieve. I don’t think the budget will be balanced by further disadvantaging the disadvantaged. However reducing arms exports as a form of aid could help, but that gets complex fast. Does Israel need billions of dollars of arms? Ukraine? Couldn’t it all dep…

Doesn’t matter. We should care more about people who are dying on the street (I have seen this firsthand), have seen this myself in Seattle and SF, and giving everyone healthcare before giving Ukraine or any other country aid.

This is something that both Democrats and Republicans seem to ignore because they want to pursue their own self-interested agendas.

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Post by lkxijlewlf »

jmyeet wrote: post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

Begs the question: If you can be startled away by the someone breaking into your home and you reach for you gun and are shot dead by the police, do you really have the right to bear arms?

I would really love to see some laws that allow us to defend ourselves against police. If they decide to just beat my ass, they can and I can't defend myself. WTF!?

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Post by magicalist »

throwaway040922 wrote: post #194
jmyeet wrote: post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

Duncan Lemp was white, and was similarly awoken in the middle of the night by police, reached for a gun, and was shot dead (unlike Locke, I don't think he even pointed the gun at them). It actually happened the day before the Breonna Taylor shooting (another similar situation), but received almost no media attention. Even around the area where Duncan Lemp was killed, you will find a lot of posters for Breonna Taylor,…

> but received almost no media attention

Just because something didn't become an internet cause célèbre doesn't mean it didn't get attention. I mean, just from this site:

- https://reason.com/2020/03/16/maryland-man-killed-in-no-knoc...

- https://reason.com/2020/07/02/why-havent-we-seen-the-body-ca...

- https://reason.com/video/2020/10/16/the-complicated-truth-ab...

- https://reason.com/2021/01/08/prosecutors-office-clears-mary...

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Post by mangoTangoBango »

DoctorOW wrote: post #62
mangoTangoBango wrote: post #26

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> We should start over, get rid of those parasites, move the capital to the center of the USA like Lebanon, KS out of the swamp. The physical location of the capitol has been irrelevant since airplanes, cell phones, and the internet. The swamp is a metaphor, not a physical place.

I disagree. Move the capitol to the center of the country, put a lifetime ban on former elected officials lobbying, and that would get rid of a lot of corruption.

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Post by lkxijlewlf »

solarhoma wrote: post #184
jmyeet wrote: post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

The defense brought up one of the rittenhouse attackers was a sex offender to show they are an individual with less than good morals. Someone who would be willing to attack someone with the crowd. So, no, this piece of evidence is not immaterial. Everything in this world is not race based. There are other nuances to the world that the MSM is hiding to push their race based fear mongering.

> Someone who would be willing to attack someone with the crowd.

Would they, though? Because one is a criminal of one type, they are criminals of all types?

Edit: I am not defending a sex offender. I just don't think one crime is a gateway for all crimes.

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Post by fallingknife »

woodruffw wrote: post #210
dahfizz wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the justice system is racist. I am tired of Rittenhouse being used as race bait. Everyone involved in that story was white. Kyle, and all the people that he shot / attacked him. I don't even see how your point about Rittenhouse applies at all. There are plenty of examples of white people getting off easy, but you're instead nitpicking the legal defense of this one case. You're instigating a fight more th…

You’re omitting the part where the shooter went to a civil rights protest with a rifle. The fact that he happened to kill two white people rather than black ones isn’t an overriding consideration.

He went to a riot with a rifle. I wouldn't go to a riot, but if I did I would sure as hell bring a rifle.

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Post by nukemaster »

imgabe wrote: post #3

FYI the neighborhood is Kalorama in DC, where a lot of diplomats and high-level government officials live. Maybe the agents didn't want one of the neighbors to call the director of the FBI to have them chewed out for "making the neighborhood look bad", which is not an impossible thing to happen there considering who the neighbors are. I imagine if you're an FBI field agent, the last thing you want for your career is…

Many people don't appreciate the connections here and the degree to which the FBI and their friends are holding our country hostage.

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Post by ght »

Bilal_io wrote: post #207
throwaway040922 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duncan Lemp was white, and was similarly awoken in the middle of the night by police, reached for a gun, and was shot dead (unlike Locke, I don't think he even pointed the gun at them). It actually happened the day before the Breonna Taylor shooting (another similar situation), but received almost no media attention. Even around the area where Duncan Lemp was killed, you will find a lot of posters for Breonna Taylor,…

I believe Duncan Lemp should have received the media attention he deserves. That being said: 1- You said "This kind of violence affects everyone" and this is disingenuous when we look at the ratio of black vs white being murdered by police. [1] 2- The media attention Breonna et al. received was not about the individuals but for the community in general due to my previous point. [1] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pn…

If we are going to bring into account how many African-Americans are being killed by police we need to also bring into account the FBI's violent crime statistics. Blacks made up 56% of known murder offenders. While European Whites were 28% of known murder offenders while making up 60-65% of the population. Remember, African-Americans are only 11% of the population. That is a huge discrepancy that needs to be brought up while discussing the amount of African-Americans killed or arrested by police.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

throwaway040922 wrote: post #194
jmyeet wrote: post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

Duncan Lemp was white, and was similarly awoken in the middle of the night by police, reached for a gun, and was shot dead (unlike Locke, I don't think he even pointed the gun at them). It actually happened the day before the Breonna Taylor shooting (another similar situation), but received almost no media attention. Even around the area where Duncan Lemp was killed, you will find a lot of posters for Breonna Taylor,…

> but received almost no media attention

This shooting appears to have been covered by the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun and the AP.

People like to blame a certain story not going viral on the media, but it's kind of a scapegoat argument. The press covered the event and people on Twitter chose not to elevate it. That doesn't mean the media was pushing a particular narrative.

In Breonna Taylor's case, black community activists raised their voices in the community to state plainly that her death was an indicator of a fundamentally toxic policing system. There is no such analog for the white right, because those folks are largely ones defending the police right now.

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