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FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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The median salary for cops in this state is $105k a year. The median salary for software engineers in this state is $89k. Sheriffs make much more than your median cop does.

I think the general point raised by GP stands up pretty well. Even if sheriffs make a little more than devs in some states, it's not that extra bit of money that gives them a lot more political power. But just for another data point, in California the average salary for a software developer is $139K, while the average for sheriffs is $28/hour. https://www.indeed.com/career/sheriff/salaries/CA https://www.indeed.com/c…

what kind of comparison is that?!

https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/police-officer/salary...

anyway median police officer in California is 111.3k.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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FYI the neighborhood is Kalorama in DC, where a lot of diplomats and high-level government officials live. Maybe the agents didn't want one of the neighbors to call the director of the FBI to have them chewed out for "making the neighborhood look bad", which is not an impossible thing to happen there considering who the neighbors are. I imagine if you're an FBI field agent, the last thing you want for your career is…

Worse - imagine you're an FBI field agent, and your "kick in the front door" operation turned into a "SS agents and FBI agents shooting each other" train wreck - because there was a Secret Service protection detail on the other side of that door, and an agent or few got a very fast judgement call wrong , in the heat of the moment. Or similar, with some VIP who's got trigger-happy private security - because he knows t…

This is a risk that is taken in every "kick in the front door" operation. The people inside generally have right to self-defense and may start shooting. So it's not an excuse to not do it in a certain neighborhood.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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post #67

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So why not use the same tactics for both, rich and poor? Or is violence reserved for poorer people?

Usually some rich old guy won't shoot at cops, when they come knocking at the door. Those people use lawyers, not guns.

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Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

The defense brought up one of the rittenhouse attackers was a sex offender to show they are an individual with less than good morals. Someone who would be willing to attack someone with the crowd. So, no, this piece of evidence is not immaterial.

Everything in this world is not race based. There are other nuances to the world that the MSM is hiding to push their race based fear mongering.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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? The FBI have information about the people they are nabbing and already have a risk profile. If the people the are grabbing have zero history of violence, no gun ownership, no gang association, there's no reason to smash down the door. Even judging by neighbourhood: It's probably unfair but my bet is diplomats don't generally get into shootouts with the cops. They could probably safely do the same in middle class ne…

There is a perfectly valid reason for law enforcement to break down a door that does not have anything to do with risk profile: they have a search warrant and no one with a key is available to open a door (like in this article).

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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post #93

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Kids have obvious value to their parents. That’s like one of the most basic evolutionary instincts.

Sure. But then you have to argue that John T. Walton provided $18 billion of value to his parents. And if Sam Walton were taxed at 100% for all wealth over $100 million, so John Walton were only worth $20 million, then would John have provided less value to his parents? My parents spend several $100,000 on my upbringing. Does that represent my value to my parents? The children from the world's poorest families also p…

Value is subjective and dependence on your circumstances.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

The defense brought up one of the rittenhouse attackers was a sex offender to show they are an individual with less than good morals. Someone who would be willing to attack someone with the crowd. So, no, this piece of evidence is not immaterial. Everything in this world is not race based. There are other nuances to the world that the MSM is hiding to push their race based fear mongering.

You’re missing the point. We place people on trial for committing crimes, not for having “less than good morals.” Criminal courts typically exclude references to a victim’s character for precisely this reason: the goal is to determine whether a crime was committed, not whether the jurors would have personally liked the victim.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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> people in the neighbourhood are politically influent, that's why they are treated that way, not because they are rich When (and where) is there a difference? What neighborhoods are there where rich people reside who have no more social or political influence than people living in The Projects?

>What neighborhoods are there where rich people reside who have no more social or political influence than people living in The Projects? Compared to this one? Nearly all of them. The neighborhoods in Mountain View are filled with affluent people that have no connection to federal politicians and no influence over the FBI at all.

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Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

I agree that the justice system is racist.

I am tired of Rittenhouse being used as race bait. Everyone involved in that story was white. Kyle, and all the people that he shot / attacked him.

I don't even see how your point about Rittenhouse applies at all. There are plenty of examples of white people getting off easy, but you're instead nitpicking the legal defense of this one case.

You're instigating a fight more than making a salient point.

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