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Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Post by randomdata »

jinushaun wrote: post #11
geogra4 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

College students are surrounded by drugs. They flow so freely that it seems like prohibition isn't really working. People who want drugs can get them. I don't do them either, nor do I have the desire but it just seems like only the poor and disadvantaged drug users go to jail.

Exactly. If people want drugs, they can get it, but not everyone does. We've already reached equilibrium drug consumption, which is why it's ludicrous to believe that drug use will skyrocket once it is legalized. The current drug policy only serves to fill up jails with those not in the middle class.

In Canada, the statistics for illicit drug use almost mirror the statistics for tobacco use; a legal substance. At this point, it is not even clear what we are attempting to solve by the legislation.

Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Post by felipemnoa »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #29
felipemnoa wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because is better to be safe than sorry? The fact is that there are a lot of people whose life is very publicly destroyed by drugs.

What? And there are a lot of peoples' lives destroyed by greed. Does that mean you don't seek to make money? A greater percentage of water drinks drown than marijuana/lsd/mushroom users die from marijuana/etc usage. (As in, no one dies from them.)

That is a logical fallacy.

Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Post by yaks_hairbrush »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #23

I will never understand how HN manages to be so (maybe relatively) anti-drug, even in a latent fashion on this topic. I do, not, understand this sentiment. For all of the things that HN does not take at face value, there is a blind acceptance of the "drugs are evil" viewpoint espoused (often exclusively in the face of their own studies, dozens of times, over 20 years ) by the United States Government. Downvote within…

One can easily be anti-drug while supporting legalization. I personally support legalization of more drugs, but I'm not going to do them myself and I'm going to do what I can to keep my kid off them.

Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Post by [deleted] »

VMG wrote: post #25
omarchowdhury wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is connected. It is understandable to discard insight on psychedelics as being 'brain-addled delusion' if the materialistic supposition is already implanted. Furthermore, such insight is usually overwhelming with assimilation into baseline consciousness being difficult. However, the same mystical states have been achieved by many without the use of drugs - a gradual onset over a lifetime of discipline.

downvoted for irrational mysticism

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Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Post by [deleted] »

VMG wrote: post #25
omarchowdhury wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is connected. It is understandable to discard insight on psychedelics as being 'brain-addled delusion' if the materialistic supposition is already implanted. Furthermore, such insight is usually overwhelming with assimilation into baseline consciousness being difficult. However, the same mystical states have been achieved by many without the use of drugs - a gradual onset over a lifetime of discipline.

downvoted for irrational mysticism

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Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

#37

Post by garethsprice »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #23

I will never understand how HN manages to be so (maybe relatively) anti-drug, even in a latent fashion on this topic. I do, not, understand this sentiment. For all of the things that HN does not take at face value, there is a blind acceptance of the "drugs are evil" viewpoint espoused (often exclusively in the face of their own studies, dozens of times, over 20 years ) by the United States Government. Downvote within…

Are the downvotes just because the article is (another) hack job fluff article with a tenuous link to Steve Jobs, or because people like HN for tech news and not the same arguments about politics/religion/morality that make Internet forums so homogenous and boring?

All the comments here are heavily skewed towards legalization/tolerance of drug use (at worst, outright indifference) so what gives you the impression that HN "blindly accepts the 'drugs are evil' viewpoint"?

(Personal opinion: Legalize and tax the lot, treat addiction as a health issue and not a criminal one.)

Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Post by garethsprice »

bbgm wrote: post #24
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #23

I will never understand how HN manages to be so (maybe relatively) anti-drug, even in a latent fashion on this topic. I do, not, understand this sentiment. For all of the things that HN does not take at face value, there is a blind acceptance of the "drugs are evil" viewpoint espoused (often exclusively in the face of their own studies, dozens of times, over 20 years ) by the United States Government. Downvote within…

They may not be evil, but they aren't particularly good for you either

You could say the same about chocolate cake.

Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

garethsprice wrote: post #37
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #23

I will never understand how HN manages to be so (maybe relatively) anti-drug, even in a latent fashion on this topic. I do, not, understand this sentiment. For all of the things that HN does not take at face value, there is a blind acceptance of the "drugs are evil" viewpoint espoused (often exclusively in the face of their own studies, dozens of times, over 20 years ) by the United States Government. Downvote within…

Are the downvotes just because the article is (another) hack job fluff article with a tenuous link to Steve Jobs, or because people like HN for tech news and not the same arguments about politics/religion/morality that make Internet forums so homogenous and boring? All the comments here are heavily skewed towards legalization/tolerance of drug use (at worst, outright indifference) so what gives you the impression tha…

I don't know, you're possibly right. I think the influence (or lack there of) of LSD on Steve Jobs as mildly interesting. I think creativity and ingenuity is undervalued in the industry that HN caters to, but I understand the sentiment that this article or even my comment might be off-topic and that's fine.

On this post and (more) on other SteveJobs/LSD posts over the last year, I've seen people nearly talk about marijuana as if it is the destroyer of worlds, which I don't think any reputable scientist has possibly ever endorsed, yet people are scared and hide in their bunkers because they're never tried, done any research on their own, and just take the "AboveTheInfluence" ads at face value.

Re: Steve Jobs, LSD and Drug Freedom

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Post by cletus »

So is this the pattern we can expect for the coming months? HN posts titled "Steve Jobs and [insert my agenda here]"?

I realize when you want publicity for your cause, startup, whatever you tie it to something else that's in the news anyway but all these "Steve Jobs and X" posts are bordering on tacky or tasteless.

Although at least this isn't as bad as Stallman's truly tasteless rant.

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