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FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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Post by spacemanmatt »

nicoburns wrote: post #124
spacemanmatt wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should risk well more than their jobs for their criminal behavior. I'm so sick of qualified immunity I could convict a cop for chewing gum.

I agree in general, although I'm not sure criminal prosecution would be worthwhile/appropriate for breaking a door down. For more serious crimes absolutely.

I think they should experience the MORE legal risk for a trespass and property damage that I do. You seem to be arguing that they should still have qualified immunity, but maybe not so much of it, if I'm understanding?

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Post by [deleted] »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #68
slim wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's pointing out that people in the neighbourhood are politically influent, that's why they are treated that way, not because they are rich. Which I did not get even after reading it. I'm thankful he pointed it out

> people in the neighbourhood are politically influent, that's why they are treated that way, not because they are rich When (and where) is there a difference? What neighborhoods are there where rich people reside who have no more social or political influence than people living in The Projects?

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Post by cyborgx7 »

namdnay wrote: post #125
cyborgx7 wrote: post #111

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Money is power. That is a truism everybody is aware off. But Liberalism is fundamentally incoherent if that were true. So people have been deluded into forgetting this simple basic fact.

That's jsut not true. A county sheriff has far more power than a software developer, despite being far less wealthy

The police exist to protect the property of the wealthy. Of course they have more power than people who make similar money. They have been granted that power by much wealthier, more powerful people. And it is conditional on fulfilling their role.

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Post by HPsquared »

belter wrote: post #149
Thorentis wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These types of statistics are politically inconvinient and will never be reported on.

But the data is out there and Data Scientists are not of the shy type...

What data?

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Post by tclancy »

belter wrote: post #139

Fought Experiment: Lets say law enforcement was given the task to examine the affairs of 100, randomly selected, poor/medium income households and 100, randomly selected, very wealthy households. Statistically, where would they find the most amount of criminal activity? Has any similar research been done, and would you care to share the data?

This is a trick question and I fear that you know it. All manner of petty laws exist effectively just to harass poor people.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #146
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No Knock" usually implies that they don't announce that they are police before they kick the door down. I'm not sure I could confidently say that a rich person is less likely to draw a gun when someone kicks their door down in the middle of the night. Maybe they are more likely to have a panic room, or just long corridors that provide enough time for the situation to become clear before they have a gun held in their…

I mean... let's be real... a rich person will answer the knock, follow the police peacefully to the police car, and the only thing they'll say and do is "i want my lawyer"

White collar criminals shredding documents and wiping hard drives is not unknown.

The purpose of a no knock raid is, in theory at least, to stop people destroying evidence. They only incidentally turn into shootouts, that's not what they're intended for.

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Post by DFHippie »

fareesh wrote: post #60

So in this case the agent says they went through the rear entrance instead of knocking down the front door Is it common for poorer neighbourhood houses to have a rear entrance? Genuine question - I don't know what the typical USA poor neighbourhood house has

The fire code typically requires that homes have two egresses so if one is blocked by fire the occupants can still escape.

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Post by rascul »

DoctorOW wrote: post #62
mangoTangoBango wrote: post #26

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> We should start over, get rid of those parasites, move the capital to the center of the USA like Lebanon, KS out of the swamp. The physical location of the capitol has been irrelevant since airplanes, cell phones, and the internet. The swamp is a metaphor, not a physical place.

> The swamp is a metaphor, not a physical place.

It's an old myth that Washington DC was built on a swamp.

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Post by HPsquared »

Retric wrote: post #104
jokethrowaway wrote: post #96

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Value is a self defining concept. It's what an individual want. The value of a society is the weighted sum of values based on individual power. Amazon is creating a lot of small value to a lot of people by delivering goods next day. People on wall street are creating a lot of value for wealthy and powerful people. An engineer can automate a lot of value creation that was previously done by a large number of people, a…

Value isn’t what people want. People want drinking water more than just about anything else, but that’s cheap to provide so the cost stays low. Gold on the other hand is rarely something people consider or want, but it’s rare therefore it has high material value.

Value of everything, including money, is subjective and situational.

For a "win-win" transaction (which is the case if everyone is free to choose) you need:

(Value to buyer) > (value of sale price to buyer) And: (Value of Sale price to seller) > (Cost to the seller)

If I buy a computer for $1000, the computer is worth more to me than the $1000. To the seller, the $1000 is worth more to them than the computer. Value has been created for both parties.

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Post by lalopalota »

onion2k wrote: post #53
imgabe wrote: post #3

FYI the neighborhood is Kalorama in DC, where a lot of diplomats and high-level government officials live. Maybe the agents didn't want one of the neighbors to call the director of the FBI to have them chewed out for "making the neighborhood look bad", which is not an impossible thing to happen there considering who the neighbors are. I imagine if you're an FBI field agent, the last thing you want for your career is…

It's also possible that knocking the door down is less effective in wealthy places. The reasons to knock a door down are things like flight risk, destruction of evidence, etc. You can mitigate the flight risk more easily if the property has gardens around it, and knocking the door down might make it easier to destroy evidence because an FBI team would take much longer to sweep a big house. Obviously I don't know anyt…

There is another reason to knock down doors: search warrant and no one available to open it. Also, they did knock down a door - the back one.
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