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Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by _ink_ »

cameronh90 wrote: post #19

I haven't read the underlying studies but I wonder if this applies to consistent noise or just intermittent sounds, like the airplanes and railway line examples they focus on. Personally I can't sleep in a quiet room, so I put on white noise generator plus usually music or podcasts. I find that subjectively I sleep better with some relaxing sounds. However, it could be possible that my brain isn't properly turning of…

I can't stand constant noises. They are driving me nuts. It also does not matter much how loud these really are. As long as they are audible in a otherwise quiet environment it is like somebody is constanly screaming at me. I can only sleep with audiobooks, otherwise I cannot fall asleep because the constant noise of the radiator. Probably that is not normal, though.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by jan_Inkepa »

dunefox wrote: post #283
ihateolives wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are electric pianos that are really-really good with feedback and feel and whatnot you piano players value, just plug in the headphones and practice away. Of all the compromises musicians have to make in apartment buildings this is one of the best and easiest.

Those still produce noise when you press the keys. Source: a friend can't practice after 8 because it bothers his downstairs neighbours.

Yeah the acoustics of just hitting a key on a good mechanical electrical keyboard is very surprisingly loud and propagates downwards through floors quite well. I used one for years but one still has to be considerate. It's indeed not the worst of compromises, but for me I don't see it as being enough to sustain a (classical) piano playing culture - it's life-support at best without the acoustic element.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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zaptheimpaler wrote: post #126

Highly recommend getting awesome noise cancelling headphones if you’re sensitive to it, i looove mine (Sony WH1000XM4s) and basically wear them all day. They even do a decent job at low frequency cancellation.

I have the XM3, but these are producing quite some whitenoise when they do not play something while noise cancelling is active. Would you say that is true for the XM4 as well?

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by Tade0 »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #205
andai wrote: post #153

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Perhaps if you and others who feel the same way would form your own communities around these common values, you could experience the lifestyle you prefer without it being forced on others. (Alternatively, you may enjoy living in Europe, most cities here you don't even need a car. I get along fine with a bicycle!)

In a lot of places it's strictly illegal to build car-free places. Minimum parking requirements, strict euclidean zoning, etc. The car-free or low-car places that do exist are hideously expensive due to high demand. If anything the car lifestyle is being forced on people.

> The car-free or low-car places that do exist are hideously expensive due to high demand. If anything the car lifestyle is being forced on people.

There's an additional component to this and I've seen it play out over the years in my area: cars, having a relatively unpredictable route comparing to public transport serve as a counterweight against rising real estate prices.

Of course over the years you often pay the difference (and more) in fuel costs and maintenance, but at least here that's not what drives (heh) people into the suburbs - it's the ineligibility for a mortgage on anything other than a tiny apartment.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by cnity »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #260
thisistheend123 wrote: post #159

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I simply don't understand why we have to put up with this kinda shit. Dogs barking I mean. The one thing i noticed when visited Dubai, there were no random dogs barking even in dense condos.

Because people are incredibly irresponsible when it comes to pets and most countries don't want to invest time into he-said/she-said issues. For dogs in particular, the issue is almost always a lack of attention, a lack of discipline and/or a lack of awareness. People picking up needy family dogs then leaving them alone for 12 hours, anxiety, boredom, letting dogs decide when they are allowed to bark. Worst, dogs are…

> the issue is almost always a lack of attention, a lack of discipline and/or a lack of awareness

I'm not sure exactly what sort of regularity you're talking about with barking, but I think this take can be counter-productive. Let's say your neighbor gets a puppy. The puppy at some point will begin barking (because e.g. they will overtire themselves and sometimes need to be confined in order for them to sleep, or they want something they cannot have). Interpreting this as "lack of attention" (and thus urging the neighbor to respond to (read: reward) the dog's barking) will teach the dog that barking gets them what they want.

Thus for a period it is likely that a new dog will go through phases of barking which simply have to be endured in order for the puppy to learn that they don't get rewarded in response to barking. Alas, this can take time and some dogs are naturally more vocal than others. There's no way around this issue except from living somewhere dogs are either not allowed or are far away enough to be of no concern, and educating people about dog training.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by globular-toast »

cameronh90 wrote: post #19

I haven't read the underlying studies but I wonder if this applies to consistent noise or just intermittent sounds, like the airplanes and railway line examples they focus on. Personally I can't sleep in a quiet room, so I put on white noise generator plus usually music or podcasts. I find that subjectively I sleep better with some relaxing sounds. However, it could be possible that my brain isn't properly turning of…

I thought I couldn't sleep in a quiet room. Then I moved somewhere that is actually completely quiet at night. It turns out I can sleep very well. I just never had a completely quiet room up until this point. White noise was the only option to drown out the intermittent sounds (mostly cars) throughout the night.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by goodpoint »

kfarr wrote: post #17
sammalloy wrote: post #10

> road noise during the day My understanding is that the vast majority of road noise is caused by vehicles outfitted with non-standard tires. Where I live, 90% of the road noise is caused by lifted trucks using massive off-road tires on local roads and highways. It isn’t clear if this against the law all over the country, but in various US states, the police will issue tickets. There are several employees of local bu…

Yes, and same with modified exhaust systems and mufflers.

I heard that in US some people pollute more on purpose and call it "coal rolling".

Is it the same crowd with modified exhaust? Are they increasing the noise on purpose?

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by mschuster91 »

greggman3 wrote: post #206
seattle_spring wrote: post #29

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People are so unbelievably disrespectful with noise in the US. Peaceful hike? Here's Katy Perry crackling out of my iPhone at full blast! Luxury apartment at $4k a month? No insulation between units, and the guy above you comes home at 2am and never takes his shoes off. Small country street? Here comes Chad with his straight-piped civic with the muffler removed!

> guy above you comes home at 2am and never takes his shoes off He shouldn't have to IMO. Building codes should require buildings to be sound proof between units. Yea, I know that's dreaming but I've lived in such units. I once lived in an apartment in LA. It was the first apartment in my life that had an in-unit washer and dryer. I asked the guy showing me the apartment "I'll bet I shouldn't run that after 10pm". He…

> It runs 24/7 even though no one has been in the building during COVID.

With modern buildings, where all windows and walls are completely airtight and there is no natural draft any more because of energy efficiency, the buildings would start to mold if you turned off the ventilation.

Re: Sounding the alarm: How noise hurts the heart (2021)

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Post by ihateolives »

dunefox wrote: post #283
ihateolives wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are electric pianos that are really-really good with feedback and feel and whatnot you piano players value, just plug in the headphones and practice away. Of all the compromises musicians have to make in apartment buildings this is one of the best and easiest.

Those still produce noise when you press the keys. Source: a friend can't practice after 8 because it bothers his downstairs neighbours.

Whoa. That building must be paper thin then. I know they produce sound (we had one), but that's still worlds apart from having someone practice a piece way over their heads days on end.
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