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FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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post #55

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thanks for pointing something out that is in the article?!

He's pointing out that people in the neighbourhood are politically influent, that's why they are treated that way, not because they are rich. Which I did not get even after reading it. I'm thankful he pointed it out

Money is power. That is a truism everybody is aware off. But Liberalism is fundamentally incoherent if that were true. So people have been deluded into forgetting this simple basic fact.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

#112

What's actually disturbing is that more than 90% of the time this would be a "no knock" raid with paramiliterized police smashinng down the door, tossing in flash-bang grenades - the works. No knock should be reserved for extreme situations, not the norm.

I'm not from the USA, does the FBI usually throw in grenades when arresting people for insurance fraud? If not, then perhaps other lower-quality social-media websites such as Reddit/Twitter might be more receptive to your comments?

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

#113
post #67

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So why not use the same tactics for both, rich and poor? Or is violence reserved for poorer people?

Usually some rich old guy won't shoot at cops, when they come knocking at the door. Those people use lawyers, not guns.

"No Knock" usually implies that they don't announce that they are police before they kick the door down.

I'm not sure I could confidently say that a rich person is less likely to draw a gun when someone kicks their door down in the middle of the night.

Maybe they are more likely to have a panic room, or just long corridors that provide enough time for the situation to become clear before they have a gun held in their face by someone claiming to be the FBI.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

#114
post #67

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So why not use the same tactics for both, rich and poor? Or is violence reserved for poorer people?

Usually some rich old guy won't shoot at cops, when they come knocking at the door. Those people use lawyers, not guns.

Statistically, they don't prosecute wealthy people much to start with.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

#115
post #63

> "I can tell you that is not protocol. The problem is there are two justice systems: 1 for poor people and minorities and 1 for rich people and generally white people. You see it when you are one of the few black agents. Everyone is not equal." Was " Tarek Abou-Khatwa " not a minority? [The surname " Abou " appears to be most commonly associated with either Niger or Egypt]( https://forebears.io/surnames/abou ), whil…

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The sad reality is that poverty is criminalized.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

#116
post #52

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Well, when there is reimbursement (via lawsuits) it is the city that pays for it. The police should be self-insured, backed by their pension fund. They are granted incredible power with no real accountability.

They should be at risk of losing their jobs for poor behaviour like this (and if they senior figures within the police forces don't deal with it, then they should be at risk of losing their jobs).

They should risk well more than their jobs for their criminal behavior. I'm so sick of qualified immunity I could convict a cop for chewing gum.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

#117
post #80

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If the FBI is considering busting down your door, they do not have the wrong person.

I hope this is sarcasm.

Don't hope too hard. Lots of our dear readers think like this.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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People with money and power have it better. Yes, clear, thanks for yet another confirmation. This is why I could never enjoy NYC. As a normal middle class dude you always feel everywhere that you are a nothing: no fame/no power/no money = people are rude, aggressive, hostile to you. I never felt that in London, which is a quite comparable city to NYC. I felt welcome in most places despite not being rich or famous.

NYC as assertive, that's just the way it is. And most rich and famous people are not identifiable as such. This is a non-story. If you don't have gang relations, no criminal record, no violence, no gun ownership ... there's no reason for the cops to bang down the door. That said, I think cops are too aggressive in general about this. That also said - the cops do have a policy of 'bang down the door' because I think i…

> we have to be smart about it.

We could start by prohibiting IQ caps enforced by police departments.

No, really, they went to court to ensure they could continue to refuse candidates who exceed their own intelligence or any other arbitrary intelligence limit they want to enforce.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/st...

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

#119
post #91

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That's obviously not how property rights work. Sam Walton was entitled to bequeath his wealth to his heirs however he saw fit, subject to any applicable estate and inheritance taxes.

The claim is that in capitalism "you become rich by providing value to other people." John T. Walton became rich through inheritance. Ergo, there are ways of getting rich other than providing value. Ergo, looking at someone who is rich doesn't tell you that they provided value.

The best way to get rich, and this is supported by evidence, is to have someone give you money. Usually it is one's parents.

Just the facts.

Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

#120
post #84

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A mere change in market equilibrium doesn’t constitute a market distortion.

You can label anything "a mere change in market equilibrium", apparently even someone inheriting more money than the GDP of an average sized country ...

The magnitude doesn't matter, it is a qualitatively different phenomenon.

This provides a definition of a market distortions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_distortion

This may help understand why it is defined this particular way and why it excludes inheritance and other wealth transfers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorems_of_welfar...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency

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