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Re: Elon has decided not to join our board

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Post by Denvercoder9 »

seadan83 wrote: post #236
axg11 wrote: post #43

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Everything you said is true but there is an alternative perspective: Elon founded two of the most successful companies in existence. Both companies heavily innovated on hard technological problems in order to achieve commercial success. Hence, he's an operator with experience solving difficult challenges, making him qualified for the board seat.

"Two of the most successful companies in existence" Tesla, at bill profit, is about half an order of magnitude away from being in the top 10 most profitable: https://www.investopedia.com/the-world-s-10-most-profitable-... So surely a successful company. At this juncture, one of the most successful ever in existence? Hype.

Profit is not the only way to measure success.

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Post by smt88 »

fastball wrote: post #84
smt88 wrote: post #54

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> An optimistic would think that Elon had enough self-awareness to realize it would be an overall distraction for Twitter with little benefit. Assuming Musk did take over Twitter, he wouldn't need to be much of a distraction. He could dictate a few rules (don't moderate Twitter, don't ban anyone, etc.) and then leave the company to function as it did before. I think what he doesn't realize is that reducing moderation…

I don't think Musk's ideas about free speech extend to allowing unfettered botting.

He said he's a "free speech absolutist," which is an obvious lie. But if we take him at face value, then free speech must include people paid by foreign governments to post pre-written messages.

That definition of free speech isn't even alien to the US. Corporations' freedom of speech in this country is protected even when it includes paying other people to speak.

Re: Elon has decided not to join our board

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Post by drcongo »

ramblerman wrote: post #346
KennyBlanken wrote: post #251

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More like him criticizing the company and promising features was a deal breaker for Twitter's board and investors, and they have the power to tell him to fuck off. Elon's lived in a fantasy land for years thanks to the Tesla board and investors letting him do whatever he wants.

There is not much fantasy about it if he can indeed do what he wants. He could buy twitter outright. Fantasy implies being divorced from reality. I doubt that's his intention though.

He's not only divorced from reality, they haven't spoken in years and reality has a restraining order against him. cf: Full self-driving.

Re: Elon has decided not to join our board

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Post by Traster »

One of the aspects I found fascinating about this was Scott Galloway on the Pivot podcast explaining exactly how Musk blew through a load of SEC regulations, potentially costing sellers a significant price premium, when he did this. Also how clearly other people were looking at making this play but were slowed by those same regulations. At the moment this whole saga looks like Musk is playing very fast and loose with a publicly traded company.

The big question now is whether "distractions ahead" should be read in the boring way - "We know have this nutty shareholder who is going to publicly threaten to replace our office with a homeless shelter if our employees don't spend more time in the office" or in the more interesting way - "Elon Musk isn't on the board because that limits what he can do with the stock and he's planning to either increase his stake, sell it off to someone, or to perform other shenanigans to pressure twitter"

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Post by mlindner »

bradlys wrote: post #270
mlindner wrote: post #264

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> He'll quote people from years ago that he blocked on Twitter. [Citation needed] This is one of the silliest things I've heard people make up about Musk.

> [Citation needed] > This is one of the silliest things I've heard people make up about Musk. https://youtu.be/Ebxiu1-RoKI?t=1278 Have fun licking his boot.

Hasan Abi, lol. Also that video doesn't show anything what you're claiming.

Thanks for polluting my watch history with that idiot.

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Post by [deleted] »

drcongo wrote: post #353
ramblerman wrote: post #346

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There is not much fantasy about it if he can indeed do what he wants. He could buy twitter outright. Fantasy implies being divorced from reality. I doubt that's his intention though.

He's not only divorced from reality, they haven't spoken in years and reality has a restraining order against him. cf: Full self-driving.

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Post by KptMarchewa »

hajhatten wrote: post #244
vba616 wrote: post #171

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Well, is 'qualifying as a troll' really about appealing to the connoisseurs, the academy of trolling experts? Or is it about making the most people the angriest? It's like arguing about whether McDonald's is good food. Some people think that suggesting an Edit button is telling. "Here is the only imaginable use of an edit button. You post a tweet saying “I love puppies” with a picture of a cute puppy. A thousand peop…

There are fixes to this though. Limit the time the tweet is editable, and postpone publishing tweets until that timer has run out. Or show a history of what the post has looked like.

Or just make edit button append text at below tweet, immediately visible in contrast to next tweet in chain.

Re: Elon has decided not to join our board

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Post by onion2k »

smt88 wrote: post #344
onion2k wrote: post #200

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Assuming Musk did take over Twitter, he wouldn't need to be much of a distraction. He could dictate a few rules (don't moderate Twitter, don't ban anyone, etc.) and then leave the company to function as it did before. Not really. One of the hard things about changing the course of a company is that you actually need people to do the things you want them to do. That means actually being hands on and checking things ar…

> One of the hard things about changing the course of a company is that you actually need people to do the things you want them to do. Dorsey chose not to ban Trump, and then he did. That was a huge change for Twitter, and it didn't seem to rock the boat at the company at all. Twitter also didn't ban politicians at all for a long time. That was another major policy change that Musk could simply revert back.

Dorsey chose not to ban Trump, and then he did. That was a huge change for Twitter, and it didn't seem to rock the boat at the company at all.

This is (probably) a good example of why it's hard. Dorsey understood that banning Trump would have been problematic, so he didn't. He, and probably others, worked to change the company internally to be somewhere where they could do that. Rather than do it and then deal with the fallout he worked to steer the company to be more open to being to be somewhere without Trump. Then he could ban Trump without the fallout.

That's how you change a company. Buying a big chunk of it and then issuing decrees about how it works now is much less likely to work. No doubt Elon understands that completely, and has no intention of doing it. He'll work to move Twitter in the direction he wants, maybe with the help of others, until he can then claim to have changed it overnight or something. He's not silly.

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Post by ckastner »

axg11 wrote: post #9

A very odd set of events and no explanation regarding Elon's change of mind. A pessimist would think that Elon has decided to go for a "hostile" takeover since he is no longer bound by the percentage holding cap. An optimistic would think that Elon had enough self-awareness to realize it would be an overall distraction for Twitter with little benefit. It amuses me more than it should that the CEO of Twitter has poste…

> It amuses me more than it should that the CEO of Twitter has posted an image of text (from the iOS Notes app?) to get around the Twitter character limit.

I also find quite amusing the fact that Twitter's original 140 character limitation stemmed from compatibility with SMS gateways.

That part of Twitter is now all but obsolete, I assume. But we're left in a regressed state where people still communicate long-form text as if going through SMS ("threads").

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Post by oliv__ »

drcongo wrote: post #353
ramblerman wrote: post #346

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There is not much fantasy about it if he can indeed do what he wants. He could buy twitter outright. Fantasy implies being divorced from reality. I doubt that's his intention though.

He's not only divorced from reality, they haven't spoken in years and reality has a restraining order against him. cf: Full self-driving.

Take a look at Giga Texas' launch and let me know if you still feel that way.

I wonder what you've achieved in your life that makes you think you're in a position to say anything about that man

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