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Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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That should be relatively easy for the mobile carrier, they're always in the same spot.

And how does the carrier know that someone just didn’t say to check out example.com at a conference with thousands of people in attendance?

I'm talking about their spatial position. They're literally in the exact same spot all the time, they're not attached to little robots that try and move like people at a conference.

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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You can. If you write it in Go and package it as a single binary. You can't if you write it in a scripting language that requires tons of programs to already exist on the system (a specific version of the language interpreter + a database server + other servers like redis and memcache etc etc etc). This is a problem with programming languages, not with computer systems. Computer systems already allow you to package a…

> If you write it in Go and package it as a single binary. ... > You can't if you write it in a scripting language that requires tons of programs to already exist on the system You are close, but you are not exactly right. If consider real case of application, which create some value (I don't mean just money, may be for example community value or scientific), you will need to depend on some libraries or tools. This i…

> If consider real case of application, which create some value (I don't mean just money, may be for example community value or scientific), you will need to depend on some libraries or tools.

> This is how our civilization works, we don't create all things from scratch every time, but instead, we take ready parts and construct something new from them, possibly adding our new parts.

This is very dubious.

If all you do is compose parts that already exist, then anyone can do it and your value add is almost nothing.

Sure, if you try to build everything from zero, it will take you forever.

But obviously, if you do what I said (what you quoted me), you are not building from scratch.

First of all, you are using the Go language and compiler. Second, you are relying on existing operating systems (likely linux) to run your program. Third, you are relying on the internet to exist so that your program can reliably serve content to users. Forth, you rely on the fact that your users have a reliable web browser that can display this content. Fifth, you are free to use any library in your source code.

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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As one of the top comments mentioned that most of the people on our planet earth do not have reliable Internet connection especially in the rural and remote areas.

I think the most practical and affordable way of connecting people in the remote and rural areas is by wireless via terrestrial rather than satellite. Regardless of satellite or terrestrial, apparently wireless transmission itself need to be reliable in the face of interference, multi-path and physical obstructions (tree, foliage, building, limited groud clearance, etc).

Most of the efforts for improving wireless technology have been focusing on the urban settings not rural or remote areas for obvious reasons. Ironically the areas where there are less money to be made and there are the places where most of the digital divide are happening.

Personally currently I'm working on a next generation reliable wireless connection technology and the initial results are very encouraging. Hopefully this promising technology can significantly contribute to the improvement of connectivity to reduce digital divide worldwide in affordable manner. Please contact me if you are interested to collaborate on this new technology.

For global initiatives focusing on improving telecom and Internet infrastructure there is Telecom Infrastructure Project supported by the major players including Facebook, Intel, Nokia, NTT, etc:

https://telecominfraproject.com/

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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I think we need something like micro payments. Take lichess for example it's the biggest open source chess website completely ad free and runs by donations. If you divide the total monthly costs to run the servers by the number of games and you get a tiny fraction of a dollar cent. I don't remember the exact number, but it has been in the order of 1k chess games equals 1$. If you could charge 0.1 cent per game, then…

"How to pay" always seemed like the easy half of the problem to solve, "how to manage what should be paid" seems much harder as nobody wants to deal with sorting through fraction of a penny payment approvals. Is 0.01 cent per game acceptable? 0.05? If you accept at 0.01 and it goes to 0.05 do you have to re-accept? If everyone decides sets 0.1 cents as an auto-approve boundary does that mean every site is now going t…

> "How to pay" always seemed like the easy half of the problem to solve

With the cut payment providers currently keep it still seems like an unsolved problem for micropayments

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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As a society we had a much higher tolerance for risk when the electrical grid was being built. We were perfectly fine with the idea some people would die building it and some people would get electrocuted using it. The world we live in now has much lower tolerance for risk. You can't even screw a wall mount bracket in without carrying liability insurance.

Society's risk tolerance varies with domain. Electrical power systems are well understood and thus we expect them to be as safe as practical. Contrast that to the reaction to Tesla's autopilot that will happily drive you into an embankment at fatal speeds.

Electric power systems are much more dangerous than communication networks.

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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If such a thing was possible we'd be the first to roll it out. DDoS is a scourge which is why we made DDoS mitigation unmetered on all plans including free: https://blog.cloudflare.com/unmetered-mitigation/

By making it free though you’ve disincentivized fixing it. It’s awfully coincidental that the current leading solution to DDoS for people running websites is “use cloudflare”. Cloudflare has absolutely no reason to invest in solving DDoS because the existence of them is one of your best sales leads. DDoSes are cancer and you run a cancer treatment center. Gotta make sure you can treat cancer well but you wouldn’t wan…

What short term thinking that would be! That's how companies die. They get captured by their customers and markets and they can't see change coming.

Imagine if Cloudflare stubbornly stuck to providing DDoS services and never considered the idea that there might be a solution to DDoS at the protocol level. We'd die if someone else came up with the technical solution to DDoS. So, it would both be better for the Internet and better for us if we were involved in killing off DDoS at whatever level possible.

For example, on the network level we've pushed for BCP-38 over and over again to deal with spoofing. RFC 2267 is 24 years old (https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2267)! But, yeah, sure, Cloudflare that is half that age is keeping all those DDoS attacks happening because they love the smell of $$$. Give me a fucking break.

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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Many areas in the US still don’t. I remember living on a farm as a child, circa 1998, and our neighbors had no power or running water. It wasn’t lack of wanting it, “the money just ran out.” This was the mountains of Virginia, near Roanoke.

> Many areas in the US still don’t. In the scale of the US, that's a blatantly false statement. It's The figure is so high the WorldBank lists the US at 100% access to electricity with all the other affluent nations. Brazil is at 99.8% for reference, Vietnam is 99.4%, India is 97.8%.

Many, as in numerous.

Areas, as in places you can live.

I wasn’t saying it was whole chunks of the country. Just that there are many places, not necessarily in the same place and not necessarily enough for anyone to care about. The latter kind of being the problem…

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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O RLY? https://floss.freebox.fr/ Edité: Liberté, égalité, cyberité!

Yes, really. https://forums.att.com/conversations/att-fiber-equipment/pos...

Yes, shit happens. Use another device. Or another ISP. Or get a bizniz line where you can spec a device of your choice? Or move? Or use StarLink?

(Did you notice the source in my link?(at all?))

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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And how does the carrier know that someone just didn’t say to check out example.com at a conference with thousands of people in attendance?

I'm talking about their spatial position. They're literally in the exact same spot all the time, they're not attached to little robots that try and move like people at a conference.

Ah, makes sense!

Re: Ask HN: What are the next internet infra problems?

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This is a weird take on history and divorced from the reality we live in even now. The first ever web browser written by Tim Berners Lee at CERN on a NeXt computer was a web editor as well. He envisioned that every web user would be a web creator. He is quoted many times as saying this. Today: you can still stand up a web server at your house and forward the ports on your router. Unless you’re behind a carrier grade…

> Today: you can still stand up a web server at your house and forward the ports on your router And you just lost 97%+ of the Internet userbase. They have no idea what you just said.

Then we should really be focusing on getting IPv6 everywhere so that the firewall can be a single click "expose website from this computer".
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