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Yeah, that certainly sounds like an issue of race and not of class. I guess in racially homogenous societies wealthy people don’t get any preferential treatment by police in any way whatsoever.
They're inexorably linked in this country. That shouldn't even need to be pointed out.
Perhaps our greatest failure is the generation that takes any contest to this claim as heresy.
Well if the suspect was wrongly accused, they'd have to reimburse the damages. Does the FBI have a budget for such things? Does it involve extra paperwork if it passes a certain threshold? Is the issue here profiling of the demographic or the risk ( in terms of cost ).
We have cases of just regular-ass police in the US breaking through the door, shooting the family dog and dragging people out in their underwear. Wrong guy? Whoops. Sorry. No reimbursement.
The police should be self-insured, backed by their pension fund. They are granted incredible power with no real accountability.
FYI the neighborhood is Kalorama in DC, where a lot of diplomats and high-level government officials live. Maybe the agents didn't want one of the neighbors to call the director of the FBI to have them chewed out for "making the neighborhood look bad", which is not an impossible thing to happen there considering who the neighbors are. I imagine if you're an FBI field agent, the last thing you want for your career is…
Obviously I don't know anything about FBI tactics, but it's conceivable that they choose what to do based on experience of what works best instead of just applying the same strategy regardless of where the property is.
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I get so tired of comments like this, such low effort brain drainage.. Yes yes we know the glorious Soviet society that was the pinnacle of fair and just. It's almost like justice and rule of law are separated from the economy and wealth. "But it is not so" - well it should be so, don't ask for further coupling of economic systems. For law and justice to be fair, liberties need to be given. Not taken.
> Yes yes we know the glorious Soviet society that was the pinnacle of fair and just. The opposite of end-stage capitalism isn't Stalinism. It's very American to view the opposite of "capitalism" as the Soviet Union, but the truth is there's a whole spectrum in between socialism and capitalism, totalitarianism and libertarianism. In my opinion this criticism is just as low-effort. > It's almost like justice and rule…
Yes absolutely, but that's not what we're talking about. We are talking about "justice".
> Economic policy and social policy are very much intertwined.
Cause and effect, yes, but economic policies don't (or shouldn't) affect the notion of justice. Laws should not be written as "if you own X amount or produce y units" as they were in the Soviet union.
>Law and justice is by definition the restriction of liberties
I don't agree but I can see the argument. If I were to never throw rubbish over my neighbours fence, then whether or not the law is there doesn't affect my liberty. Neither if there was a law forbidding the dumping of oils in the water supply.. this isn't a "restriction of liberties" but rather the guarantee of protection to the water: or I would put it as "giving liberty to me and others of the quality of the water"
I understand that this is all subjective and slippery arguments so I'll digress from that.. what else are we meant to do in HN comment sections..
But I do hold to my judgement of "little to no brain use" for anyone who tries to support communism or similar measures.
People need to be free, free to succeed (and unfortunately, free to fail).
Laws and justice should protect people from each other, not enforce someone's failure to understand mathematics or entropy.
FYI the neighborhood is Kalorama in DC, where a lot of diplomats and high-level government officials live. Maybe the agents didn't want one of the neighbors to call the director of the FBI to have them chewed out for "making the neighborhood look bad", which is not an impossible thing to happen there considering who the neighbors are. I imagine if you're an FBI field agent, the last thing you want for your career is…
thanks for pointing something out that is in the article?!
Well if the suspect was wrongly accused, they'd have to reimburse the damages. Does the FBI have a budget for such things? Does it involve extra paperwork if it passes a certain threshold? Is the issue here profiling of the demographic or the risk ( in terms of cost ).
If the FBI is considering busting down your door, they do not have the wrong person.
Law enforcement (to include the FBI) mistakenly search the wrong address all the time, and frequently kill animals and people. Despite the fact that they are literally breaking into people’s homes unlawfully and often shooting them to death for no reason, there are basically no consequences to any LEOs involved.
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Well if the suspect was wrongly accused, they'd have to reimburse the damages. Does the FBI have a budget for such things? Does it involve extra paperwork if it passes a certain threshold? Is the issue here profiling of the demographic or the risk ( in terms of cost ).
No, they wouldn't.
FYI the neighborhood is Kalorama in DC, where a lot of diplomats and high-level government officials live. Maybe the agents didn't want one of the neighbors to call the director of the FBI to have them chewed out for "making the neighborhood look bad", which is not an impossible thing to happen there considering who the neighbors are. I imagine if you're an FBI field agent, the last thing you want for your career is…
It's also possible that knocking the door down is less effective in wealthy places. The reasons to knock a door down are things like flight risk, destruction of evidence, etc. You can mitigate the flight risk more easily if the property has gardens around it, and knocking the door down might make it easier to destroy evidence because an FBI team would take much longer to sweep a big house. Obviously I don't know anyt…
Is it common for poorer neighbourhood houses to have a rear entrance? Genuine question - I don't know what the typical USA poor neighbourhood house has