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#821
> the current wave of intolerance comes from the left

Banning Critical Race Theory, teaching kindergarteners about gay people, and removing certain books from school libraries are all being done by the far right, today, via legislative bodies.

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#822
post #11

This thing where people want to say horrible things without consequence is just so weird. I have the right to judge your statements just as much as you have a right to say them. I have the right to leave jobs when it turns out the people working there hate people like me, and companies have the right to hire people who aren't going to alienate future potential employees. When people bring up posts like this they neve…

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> The bill would prevent teachers from keeping secrets about children from their parents. It enforces more speech, not less.

If teachers must disclose student confidences to parents, it discourages students in unsafe homes from letting on to their teachers that they’re questioning their sexuality. That’s a chilling effect on speech.

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#823
post #808

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people Graham agrees with are encouraged to weaponize their victimization, while people he disagrees with are denied. Where do you get that from the original post? I am not seeing it.

People Graham agrees with who are encouraged to weaponize their victimization: those supposedly accused of "heresy" for their "x-ist" utterances. People Graham disagrees with who are denied: those who speak out about "x-ist" utterances, whom he characterizes as "heretic hunters".

> People Graham agrees with who are encouraged to weaponize their victimization

Just not seeing what you are seeing. Thank you though.

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#824
The idea that people could speak freely in jobs earlier without getting fired is beyond laughable.

The only thing being exposed by this is that a certain group of people were exempt from the rules most faced and are now having to face some small fraction of that.

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#825

The biggest problem I have with Paul’s writing on these topics is the misanthropic undertones. The classification of folks as “conventional minded” mirrors other socially reductive language like referring to people as “simps,” “NPCs,” and more. Paul believes he is partly responsible for engaging a social immune response to the intolerance he perceives — forgetting that immune responses are inflammatory by nature and…

I don't think it's immutable for a given person, but I think it is a sad fact of life that a lot of people are simply unable to have these kinds of discussions - even if they're motivated, which is even more rare.

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#826

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but how do you get people to form a consensus on what's harmful?

You don't need to. Society will always define this for you.

But doesn't society defining this consist people deciding what's harmful?

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#827

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to give it the article a more positive reading: at least for myself, I can imagine several opinions I could express in the United States which would count as "heresy". I'd imagine that if those opinions were said out loud (whether or not I really believed them) my employers would fire me, friends would unfriend me, etc. But, I can't really think of any supporting real-world stories where that reaction wouldn't…

Neither was fired for work performance. I think anything else is a distracting justification, not a reason. James Damore was fired by a mob who boldly proclaimed "I didn't read his manifesto. I didn't have to". None of these firings were for honest reasons, but all just to appease the mob. A mob who at least in the last case didn't bother to even find out what he said. There are many more examples. I could list them…

James Damore was in fact fired for workplace behavior it should be noted. His manifesto was a document discussing Google’s actions and policies and was distributed to coworkers.

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#828
post #808

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people Graham agrees with are encouraged to weaponize their victimization, while people he disagrees with are denied. Where do you get that from the original post? I am not seeing it.

People Graham agrees with who are encouraged to weaponize their victimization: those supposedly accused of "heresy" for their "x-ist" utterances. People Graham disagrees with who are denied: those who speak out about "x-ist" utterances, whom he characterizes as "heretic hunters".

Do you mean "victimization" or "victimhood"?

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#829
> For example, when someone calls a statement "x-ist," they're also implicitly saying that this is the end of the discussion.

What a load of shit. So he sets up this opinion piece with a poorly constructed straw man (quite literally a false statement in every _discussion_ I've been part of) then uses this as an anchor for the rest? I mean, this is one of the most aggressively conventional takes on cancel culture I've read over the past year.

Maybe he should get back to being active with YC again so he has less time to embarrass himself like this.

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#830

The biggest problem I have with Paul’s writing on these topics is the misanthropic undertones. The classification of folks as “conventional minded” mirrors other socially reductive language like referring to people as “simps,” “NPCs,” and more. Paul believes he is partly responsible for engaging a social immune response to the intolerance he perceives — forgetting that immune responses are inflammatory by nature and…

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