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Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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They were still alive...

It was an execution...

Exactly. I agree with the perverse incentives involved in harvesting their organs at all. But I see no difference between anesthetyzing someone and removing their heart, and giving them a lethal injection. The former may well be less painful. (Strongly against the death penalty in any form.)

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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post #28

The biggest mistake western democracies have made is to trade with dictatorships. Enriching them has not encouraged them to become progressive, it has only made them more powerful. We have sown the seeds of our own destruction through our complicity.

Getting strong flashbacks to that West Wing episode 20 years ago^ where Albie Duncan touches on this:

"'Free trade is essential for human rights'. The end of that sentence is, 'we hope... because nothing else has worked.'"

^ http://www.westwingtranscripts.com/search.php?flag=getTransc...

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Would the west be as rich and Democratic without?

Far richer, but with less plastic junk that has to be thrown away in a few months.

Lots of plastic junk comes out of China, but the good stuff does too. I checked where a newly arrived superconducting magnet was made when purchased from a German vendor - China.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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post #61

I think execution is absolutely wrong and never morally justifiable. However I don’t see why execution + organ harvesting is worse than execution alone.

Mmmmh… Organ harvesting as it is called is not quite the humane thing to do, even if the subject was a convict.

Unless of course he is a DONOR.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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post #117

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Would the west be as rich and Democratic without?

Without the exploitation of cheap labor and China work practices, your iPhone would cost 10,000 dollars. Apple would be more like a Cartier or Tiffany...A few small exclusive shops around Monaco and the Cote de Azur.

I’d prefer that.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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post #15

So China infringes on human rights, in other news "water is wet". Not really newsworthy. I would be shocked if it was Iceland or Norway doing that. As much as we hate hearing about it, only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime. Having met many Chinese students abroad, I'd say they are OK with this happening. Either they are apathic, or supportive of their totalitarian regime.

I am astounded by the lack of empathy in what you've written.

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Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Isn’t this inline with their values, collective above individual rights? Is it genuinely bad or is using the organs of someone you were about to execute and give someone else life a good thing?

It is genuinely bad.

In the US we don’t even need the free-organ incentive to sentence innocent people to death.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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So China infringes on human rights, in other news "water is wet". Not really newsworthy. I would be shocked if it was Iceland or Norway doing that. As much as we hate hearing about it, only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime. Having met many Chinese students abroad, I'd say they are OK with this happening. Either they are apathic, or supportive of their totalitarian regime.

Just because it is not news means we should not discuss it? I find such comments lacking any value other than stating this has been happening for a while.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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post #69
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Notable that this is a professional medical association saying this based on a stufy, not a journalist or blogger.

Just as notable is that china passed laws to stop this practice in 2015 as the article noted. The same year taiwan stopped the practice of taking organs from prisoners. Yet the propaganda is rather one sided. I wonder. I'm against all organ "donations". If it is your time to die, it's your time to die. Also, the biggest issue in organ donation isn't china or taiwan supposedly harvesting a few dozen prisoners' organs.…

You're against organ donations from willing donors that save lives? Are you against other forms of life-saving medicine as well?

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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post #55

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Nope. Pioneered by the Japanese during World War II. Also no anesthesia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 Edit: I would like to point out the reason why I said no based on this resource: "Execution by organ procurement: Breaching the dead donor rule in China": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30921371 The practices of Unit 731 are more well documented that some of the Nazi crimes.

No anesthesia by the Japanese, or by the current-day Chinese?

Unit 731 did not use any while doing vivisection. For China, looking at the practices being discussed here to ensure "high quality" organs, would the practitioners suddenly grow a conscience?
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